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for the masses headline edition july 8

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disk has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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the global radio alliance

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening

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today is monday monday

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18 days into the new year only

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347 days left we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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listening all around the world

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the planets i am your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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we have got a couple of weeks coming up

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absolutely amazing programming and

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this week tonight very special guest

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roger

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going to be discussing his life

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as an activist rogue

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filmmaking getting the message

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out a lot of other things we're going to

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everything tonight with roger get ready

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all right that's tonight tomorrow night

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tony and sheree rathman are here we are

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going to be talking about ghost hunting

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they're one of the premier ghost hunting

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groups in the country and that is going

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then wednesday night big show adam

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uh be talking about consciousness and

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and where we are where you are we're

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going to be talking about all of that

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and also on wednesday night we are

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the conscious life expo 2021

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and everything that is going on with

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so i'm gonna save all of that for

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but uh that is very exciting

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so uh that's uh wednesday thursday night

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is another fader night with open lines

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uh let's see lots to discuss tonight

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um uh first things out of the gate uh

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an incredible incredible network that

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moving forward you can follow me on

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joking about this if there's anybody

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richard branson's rocket company virgin

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into what that growing market is

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by using a jet plane as its launch

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well there are well advanced plans in

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to bring that 747 and its rockets

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this is breaking news over the weekend

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happened yesterday russian police

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detained top kremlin critic alexei

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navalny yesterday

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when he flew back to russia months after

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a poisoning attack navalny was detained

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said that right less than

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where he had been recovering from

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poisoning with the nerve agent

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that was allegedly ordered by president

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vladimir putin

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now russia's fsin prison service said in

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that it had detained navalny for

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multiple violations

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of a 2014 suspended sentence

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for fraud adding that he will be held

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in custody until a court ruling and

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then right before showtime another

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breaking

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announcement on the story he is going to

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be held

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for one month 30 days and then released

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all right let's get the show cracking

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happy birthday to today

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dave bautista one of my favorites one of

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my favorites

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today dave bautista is 52 of course

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guardians of the galaxy

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really funny in the uh movie my spy if

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you guys haven't checked that out

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kevin costner today is 66 and you know

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everybody knows who kevin costner

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is and and all of that and then he

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starts to think well what's your

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favorite

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kevin costner movie and

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you know your field of dreams are you

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going back that far

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the untouchables and then you know and

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he started

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ah the bodyguard

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all of that is old stuff what has kevin

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costner done lately but anyway today

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he's 66

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corn front man jonathan davis today is

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50 and i have to do this

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bobby goldsboro remember bobby goldsboro

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there was a bobby goldsboro show for a

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minute

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bobby goldsboro today is 80 and he had

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that number one hit that makes everybody

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cry

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honey happy birthday bobby goldsboro our

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dead guy's birthday today is the one and

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only

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moment of silence please david ruffin

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1941 to 1991 died at the age of 50.

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david was one of the lead singers of the

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temptations during the group's

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classic five period he was the lead

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voice on

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my girl ain't too proud to beg

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i know i'm losing you one of my favorite

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songs of all time

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and i wish it would rain after

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completing

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a successful month-long tour of england

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david died on june 1st 1991 from a drug

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overdose and the

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the stories behind what actually

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happened

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pretty crazy happy birthday david ruffin

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on this day in history

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1912 the rob

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the robert falcon scott expedition

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reaches the south pole that's right

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on this day in 1912 but

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only to find that ronald amundsen

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the norwegian explorer had left them a

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note

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you're too late beating them

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by just over a month and there was a

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race it was crazy

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they kind of were racing there at the

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same time ahmanson had

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sled dogs and

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and scott went with horses

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that was a bad move and uh

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he had some sled dogs too as well but

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they said that that

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it was just a bad scene and uh

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robert falcon scott and and the rest of

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his expedition team

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walked walked to the south pole

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and uh lost that race by 30 days fader

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fact

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the painting the scream was stolen the

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same day as the opening

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of the 1994 olympics in lillyhammer

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norway

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the thieves left a note saying

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thanks for the poor security

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yeah has anybody seen the tv series lily

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hammer

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and if you haven't yeah little steven

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have you guys seen it you need to check

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it out it's a good series i think it's

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three seasons

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it's pretty good two seasons three

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seasons it's worth it it's really funny

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it's really good

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tonight right here roger richard

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joins us and uh

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we're gonna be discussing his life as an

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activist

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rogue filmmaking all of that we'll talk

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some ufos

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talk some disclosure we're gonna do all

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of that tonight tomorrow night tony and

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sheree rathman are here we're gonna be

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doing a full line of ghost hunting

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and wednesday night adam apollo now adam

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is here to discuss consciousness as we

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move through uh the new year but we're

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also

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announcing the conscious life expo 2021

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and what is going down so get ready for

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all of that that's wednesday

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thursday is another fader night with

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open lines

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all night long all right

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let's see uh hold on for a second oh oh

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that's a text to rita

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all right thursday night's fader night

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open lines all night long let me hit

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ah yeah

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as we turn the corner

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you know talk about the elephant in the

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room right as we turn the corner and

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head past

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what may be the craziest point in u.s

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history this week

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although the world has been dominated by

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absolute over-the-top headlines over the

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last few weeks

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scratch that didn't that's not true over

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the last

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year all of the topics that we cover

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here on fade to black

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they're still with us ufos

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egypt lost history

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science paranormal the supernatural time

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travel

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all that right music and food

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as things start to settle down

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and we can all begin to relax a little

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all of us here at fade to black can also

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focus on the things that mattered for us

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all

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normal now we tried to stay on point

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over the last few months but

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like all of you there were huge

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distractions going on all around us

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then of course my family got the rona

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over thanksgiving

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and that almost totally derailed us

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including the show

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and looking back i have no idea how we

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continued to broadcast

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but we couldn't just take six weeks off

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that was totally impossible and

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it was never considered took a couple of

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days off

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and that was it we had to go

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we had to go it was go time i had to

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work through it

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and just like any well anyone else who

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who got sick

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you know you got the rona if you weren't

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in the hospital

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you just worked from home you got to pay

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the bills you got to take care of your

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family

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you just can't quit doesn't work that

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way

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well and with the show look

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everyone um i did the best that i could

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i made sure that i had the energy to

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blast through

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three hours each night okay

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looking back i don't remember any of it

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really in my mind my memory

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those were a very dark six weeks like a

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big long

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crazy dream i don't i just don't

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remember it

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and i'm not alone i may have

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you know gone through what my family and

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i

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but we have turned the corner

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okay with it with everything

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everyone has

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now the media right now may be trying to

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continue with the fear and the drama

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stuff about

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whatever subject

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but i think that we all know

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that the worst is over

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all right we

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we actually spent an entire year in a

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parallel world

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it's a subject that i speak about often

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the possibility of another dimension

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another space another world

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you know just a world just like our own

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but just a little bit different you know

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a reality that exists but we never get

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to visit or see it for ourselves right

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but we ponder this and we talk about the

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possibilities of this

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certainly science does

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but this time we did

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we did the entire world was

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yanked out of one reality and plopped

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down

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a place where nothing made sense

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a flip-flop of what we knew

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and nobody was exempt didn't have a

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just like my last six weeks of the rhona

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nightmare

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as we move along through time

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we'll all look back at the mandela

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affected 2020

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the year that we visited the parallel

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world that exist on the other side of a

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thin

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layer of particles it's funny because

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the next time you may hear a physicist

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or two

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debate about the multiverse one of them

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can just say hey

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well the proof of it is the year 2020.

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you'll be hearing me say this a lot in

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the years ahead

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seriously i can i can use 20 20

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as evidence i can use 20 20

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for the answer in just about anything

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right somebody wants to come at me with

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oh yeah what about 2020

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pal we've

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actually lived through our very own

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wizard of oz but we made it back home

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there really isn't another way to look

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at it but yeah

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everything in front of us is back in

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focus it

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on the alternative reality that we found

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00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,159
ourselves in over the last 12 months

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00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:00,159
that distraction that was in back of

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everybody

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00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,919
you know and and look you guys were

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00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:05,039
listening to the show you guys are

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00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:06,320
listening to the show and i've i've got

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00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:07,520
a guest on we're doing go through the

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paranormal doing time travel

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00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:11,440
ufos disclosure whatever and i know what

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00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:13,039
everybody's thinking

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00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,440
jimmy's talking about ufos tonight at

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least we don't have to think about

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the pandemic at least we don't have to

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00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:21,200
think about the elections

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00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:22,720
at least we don't have to think about

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00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:24,320
right that that

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00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:31,990
if you think about it we have all

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00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,480
clicked our heels three times with our

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eyes closed

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00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:46,230
i feel good in saying that i just

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00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:49,440
look forward right now and i

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00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,720
see stair steps i just see

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00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,480
each day better than the last i see

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00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:56,720
stair steps i see the light i see

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00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:58,880
everything i see normality i just

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00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:02,320
see it where we don't have to deny

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00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,399
what's going on in the background

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00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,320
it's a distraction it's a distraction

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00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:08,640
for all of us

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00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,760
all right and uh and it's our commitment

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00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,520
to all of you we're back

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00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:16,000
we're back that's it we got to get back

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00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:16,720
to normal

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00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:20,399
and i will do everything i can

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00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:24,000
to prove that this is fade to black i

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00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,039
am your host jimmy church tonight as we

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00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:29,120
begin this journey oh by the way

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roger richards is with us tonight um

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we've got a great week next week

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00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:38,799
is another barn burner okay we've got

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00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,120
two straight weeks of stuff here

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00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,919
where even for me as great as these

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00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:45,679
weeks are with fade to black

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00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:49,919
where i'm kicking back going wow okay

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00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:52,960
wow so get ready tonight roger richards

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00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:53,440
is here

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00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,760
tomorrow night tony and sheree rathman

566
00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:59,919
ghost hunting wednesday night adam

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00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,159
apollo and we are going to announce

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00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,960
this year's conscious life expo the who

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00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,240
what why and when

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00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:09,039
all of that is wednesday night thursday

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night is another fader night with open

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all night long i am your host jimmy

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church gonna take a quick break

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to jimmy's

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church what a great week

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we've got coming up tonight roger

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richards is here

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tomorrow night tony and sheree rathman

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ghost hunting

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wednesday night adam apollo thursday

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night

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roger richards he's an american

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filmmaker poet artist activist

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who's known stylistically for his true

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conspiracy documentary aesthetic

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his films explore highly controversial

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subculture topics that can challenge a

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viewer's understanding

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of the very nature of reality these

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topics

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include unacknowledged government

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programs global political corruption the

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jfk assassination

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quantum computing and other advanced

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classified technologies

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his work has been seen and experienced

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by

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millions of people around the world and

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he has achieved somewhat of an

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infamous that's always a great word

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there roger infamous

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and mysterious reputation for exploring

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these highly controversial subjects

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through his films

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art poetry and activism his website that

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you can go and check out right now is a

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thousand pieces dot com his latest

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documentary

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and the links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com like to welcome

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back to fade to black

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roger richards roger good evening man

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how are you

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i'm doing good jimmy how you doing

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brother uh i'm doing good

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i'm doing good i'm doing great and uh

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as good as to be expected we'll get to

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that mess in a second with

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with uh you know getting getting the

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rona

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but yeah exactly but uh um

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i'm gonna start off this i'm gonna i'm

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gonna make you squirm in your seat a

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little bit

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uh because i i noticed this

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uh this morning and i didn't bring it up

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to you

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uh but for the audience i want them to

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know

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so they have absolute transparency in

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this

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you and i haven't spoke in over two

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years

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yeah and and i i saw

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our last text right

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i saw our last text and i read it and

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and

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i want to just say this i'm not going to

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read the text but

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um i remember this uh this was over two

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years ago and i'm and when i when he

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sent me the text

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this is what went through my mind either

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roger is snowing me

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or he is being snowed right it was like

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yeah that's the way i took it and i

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didn't know uh none of us did back then

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what the heck was going on um

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the the smoke is certainly cleared and

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and we understand things

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but that last text from you and

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everything else

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caused you and i to to not speak for

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over two years

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and that sucks man that sucks it

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definitely was nice to hear your voice

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and connect with you here recently

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brother

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i didn't know you'd take my call um

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yeah but that was pretty good uh for you

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to answer the phone hey brother

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i was like all right okay i think we're

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in the clear i think we're good

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but uh so that's that's

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kind of where i wanted to start off with

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the audience so they understand

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uh that you and i this is this is fresh

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territory tonight for us both i welcome

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you uh back to the program

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okay and i i i truly mean that um

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now uh before i want to discuss

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you but before we move forward

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um did you

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anticipate in your wildest dreams that

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you and i

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would have the thoughts or the position

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that we

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are today about life

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and about friendships did you see things

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blowing up like that

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no not at all but you know just like any

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families you go through

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trials and tribulations of learning to

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understand each other and

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you know just kind of getting to the

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deeper root of what this experience is

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about and that is family and that is

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communion with people

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it's showing you know your authenticity

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who you are

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being real and you know working through

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that and trying the best you can to hold

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unconditional love for everybody because

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without it you're dead anyway

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well you never know unless you put your

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toes in the water

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right that's it that's life that's it

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you just

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00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:14,400
never know unless you put i've had a few

814
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,520
experiences

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with some some bad lead singers in a

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band

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00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:21,839
right but you just don't know you just

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00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:22,640
don't know

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00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:25,839
until you dip your toe in that water

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00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:28,000
now speaking of that you've got a you've

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got a musical background

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and i want to go backwards first uh for

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everybody with you

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um and in your life's journey

825
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:40,960
before before this

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00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:44,400
part of your life um did you have

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00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:47,520
an interest in in conspiracies

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uh strangeness high strange of ufos et

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contact was it was that part of your

830
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world growing up

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00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,960
i think that was part of just who i was

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born into this experience with you know

833
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just like a lot of people in this

834
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community

835
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,640
you know you just from an early age you

836
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:04,000
feel like something's off something's

837
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,680
strange you feel connected to something

838
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:07,760
beyond this experience you know

839
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:10,480
all of those uh things were inherently

840
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,599
part of who i was

841
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,520
you know growing up music became a way

842
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,760
to express those avenues of feelings of

843
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,599
you know not being able to

844
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,119
connect with the normal world and

845
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:21,359
feeling like you know something was

846
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:23,839
grossly off about all of this experience

847
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,200
but i also had

848
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:27,359
experiences when i was younger that were

849
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:28,480
unexplainable and

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we're just kind of tucked away in my you

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know

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life memories is just unexplainable and

853
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so yes definitely i've always had

854
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:37,760
curiosities

855
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,800
and have you know looked into avenues of

856
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,040
you know research and you know trying to

857
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,880
understand my own experiences

858
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,880
while also being fascinated with the you

859
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:48,640
know the experience of others

860
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:52,160
um the the documentaries

861
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:55,599
of the past certainly um

862
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,880
uh you know von daniken and

863
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:00,880
chariots of the gods and other things

864
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:03,280
that were presented in the 70s

865
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:06,480
uh did you watch those and that type of

866
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,680
gorilla if you will you know filmmaking

867
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:11,839
yes definitely and those early

868
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,480
filmmakers i think are the pioneers that

869
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:16,880
allowed you know for people in this kind

870
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:17,599
of like

871
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:20,000
um you know citizen journalist movement

872
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:20,800
right now

873
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,880
to you know kind of move forward in the

874
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:24,480
same the same honor

875
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:26,000
and the way that you're just kind of

876
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:27,920
investigating stories you know like you

877
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:30,400
you have enough uh inspiration and

878
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,760
desire to

879
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,760
you know find out the truth and explore

880
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,280
the story and

881
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,599
you know that may be vastly different to

882
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:38,960
multiple different people that

883
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,400
uh you know could choose the same

884
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:42,880
project because ultimately as a director

885
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,200
and

886
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:45,359
as a filmmaker it falls into your lap to

887
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,640
reinterpret it through your

888
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:49,119
you know lens and and you know what you

889
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,000
kind of perceive

890
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:53,040
and so i definitely you know i love all

891
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:53,920
of that

892
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,440
you know old school stuff the the

893
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:57,599
pioneers that came before me and

894
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,880
you know the ones that are you know

895
00:42:00,950 --> 00:42:00,560
contemporary ones right now that are

896
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,960
still

897
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,960
you know doing this stuff and and really

898
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,160
committing to

899
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,400
uh exploring these topics and opening

900
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,160
consciousness and presenting

901
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,920
you know pieces of art that stir

902
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,359
dialogue you know art

903
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:13,680
is uh something i've always been

904
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,160
extremely connected to is a way to

905
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,640
interpret my emotional impressions of

906
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:20,319
this world my intellectual impressions

907
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,440
of this world

908
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,359
and it's a special thing to be able to

909
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,040
create and collaborate with people

910
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,880
especially on bigger teams when you get

911
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,760
involved with

912
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,000
you know bigger films bigger projects

913
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,680
it's amazing kind of what

914
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,280
collectively comes together through

915
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,599
those interpretations of exploring these

916
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:37,040
topics and really trying to get to the

917
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:38,079
bottom of the truth

918
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,880
understanding it yourself is it rolling

919
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,400
the dice

920
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,720
uh you know part of it when you are you

921
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:46,160
know talking about dipping your toes in

922
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:47,680
the water right you never know

923
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,400
uh rolling the dice with the documentary

924
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:52,560
and and putting it out there

925
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,280
uh especially when it's about something

926
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:57,119
that is sensitive

927
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,880
do you have to brace yourself a little

928
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:00,560
bit you know and pull back

929
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,200
and and and and wait to see what comes

930
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:07,599
yeah and especially when you live in a

931
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,760
social media culture where everybody

932
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:11,440
uh you know has their opinion and can

933
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:13,599
have it loudly you know i've definitely

934
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:14,960
been drugged through the mud

935
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:17,520
of like every conspiracy theory possible

936
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,720
about who i am

937
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:21,119
who i'm working for the purpose of these

938
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,359
films you know blasey blasey blah but

939
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:25,599
really when it comes down to it

940
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:29,119
you know it's it's it's a lot less uh

941
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:31,359
you know infamous than everybody kind of

942
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:32,960
makes it out to be and it's really

943
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,359
uh you know i'm a creative person that

944
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,200
aspires to understand

945
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:39,200
beyond the boundaries of the norms that

946
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:40,560
we're presented with

947
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,560
and film is my medium and this is my

948
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:44,480
interpretation of experiencing and

949
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,240
interacting with that right now

950
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,960
now there is uh yeah your tattoos came

951
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:50,880
into question

952
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:57,910
you know all about that coming from the

953
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:02,950
i've got tattoos that nobody's ever

954
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,440
going to see you just made the mistake

955
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,520
you just made that mistake but yeah you

956
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:09,440
know and that's the world that we live

957
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:09,920
in now

958
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:13,119
nothing can just rest on its own

959
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:15,119
everything else has got to get it got to

960
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:16,960
get pulled in and people just

961
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:20,319
have to uh pick apart things and and

962
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,040
pick apart

963
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:24,000
people um it's it was it was rough

964
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:25,520
watching you

965
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:27,520
uh go through all of that well this is

966
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:28,800
the thing

967
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:32,560
um i brought up okay all right just i'm

968
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,920
gonna make you laugh

969
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,760
but you and i were talking about some of

970
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,760
your documentaries we didn't mention

971
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:39,359
anything by name

972
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:42,480
but i said man you just managed to just

973
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:45,599
get it get into these subjects that

974
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:48,480
and your response was dude everything i

975
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,680
do is untouchable right

976
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:53,680
i think that's the i mean even the case

977
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,839
now with a thousand pieces right now and

978
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:57,680
the way that it's being censored you

979
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:59,119
know that's the nature of the projects

980
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,000
that i like to do

981
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:02,400
and uh you know i want to be involved in

982
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:04,160
the ones that nobody wants to touch like

983
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:05,680
i want to be involved in the ones that

984
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:07,040
just make people like

985
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,160
absolutely loopy trying to figure out um

986
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,079
you know it's those are the things that

987
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,319
are interesting for me as a creative

988
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:16,240
you know those are the places that

989
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,599
fascinate me

990
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,280
you know sitting across the room you

991
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,880
know interviewing somebody

992
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,560
these these are the stories that i feel

993
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:24,160
like uh need to be told

994
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:26,960
right now and they're a an incredible

995
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,440
part of american folklore and subculture

996
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:31,440
global folklore and subculture

997
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,200
and it's fascinating from an

998
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,800
anthropological standpoint looking at

999
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:38,800
you know just the disclosure community

1000
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:40,720
or the ufology community in general

1001
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:42,079
truth community however you kind of want

1002
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:42,720
to turn

1003
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:45,280
term it but you know these stories are

1004
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,720
there's a reason why

1005
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,800
you know millions of people flock to

1006
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:49,920
this information

1007
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,480
everybody you know that you have that

1008
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:54,240
itch deep down inside you of

1009
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:56,560
the unknown you know and what could be

1010
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,359
out there

1011
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:59,680
and you know generally the imagination

1012
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,520
you know takes over the abyss of

1013
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,960
you know what that could be for every

1014
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,560
individual but when you have these

1015
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:06,319
stories come out that really like

1016
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:06,960
challenge

1017
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:09,680
the the very kind of nature of reality

1018
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,640
that we're given

1019
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:12,240
as far as you know what we believe

1020
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:14,079
collectively together is to be this

1021
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,839
existence we experience

1022
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:18,079
you know that's that's something primal

1023
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,520
in people it's it's something very

1024
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,040
spiritual even you know

1025
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:23,520
something that drives them outside of

1026
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:24,640
you know the existing

1027
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:26,000
norms and gets them thinking and

1028
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:27,920
daydreaming on the possibilities of what

1029
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,720
can be

1030
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,319
and when you do that and when you do

1031
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:31,760
that collectively or you

1032
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,760
create a piece of art a shamanic object

1033
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:35,040
that becomes that

1034
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:36,880
you know conversation you are

1035
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,040
interjecting that type of

1036
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:41,280
uh you know experience into the world

1037
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:43,119
and you know getting people to think

1038
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,319
outside of the box

1039
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:46,800
people may have visceral reactions to

1040
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,520
that message

1041
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,440
and they certainly have they said

1042
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:50,880
exactly they certainly have

1043
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,000
and and you and i uh

1044
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:57,119
our conspiracy community the ufology

1045
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:58,400
community

1046
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:01,119
we know how to deal with conspiracies

1047
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:02,560
and conspiracy theory

1048
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:06,160
emotionally we know how to deal with it

1049
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:09,680
collectively as a country or world

1050
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:11,839
that you know when you get into the

1051
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,359
status quo

1052
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,839
they don't know how to deal with the

1053
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,440
conspiracy theory

1054
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:19,599
and i think there is evidence of it

1055
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:20,480
right now

1056
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,079
where where you're not prepared how to

1057
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:26,000
deal with things emotionally

1058
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:29,200
how close you get to the fire you know

1059
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:32,720
how much you get involved in it

1060
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:35,440
emotionally spiritually with your family

1061
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:36,960
with your friends

1062
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:40,319
is that part of the danger i think it's

1063
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:41,680
part of what we're collectively

1064
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:43,040
experiencing together

1065
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,400
now that really kind of coins this age

1066
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:48,480
the age of the conspiracy theory the age

1067
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:49,760
of the whistleblower

1068
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:52,000
these are archetypes that show up in our

1069
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,920
collective dialogue right now

1070
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,000
that are really powerful to define this

1071
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,160
moment in time you know never have we

1072
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,000
ever been able to have access to each

1073
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:02,160
other like this through a digital net

1074
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:05,760
in the same way that we have um a total

1075
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,240
uh

1076
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,480
inspiration and fire lit from the

1077
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,079
standpoint of indie journalism and

1078
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:12,079
people wanting to participate and engage

1079
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:13,680
into their own research and

1080
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:15,920
you know citizen journalists and so that

1081
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,079
combination of all of those factors

1082
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,079
creating this massive you know cultural

1083
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:22,640
bonfire you know globally where you've

1084
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,359
got two

1085
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:25,920
spectrums you've got the far spectrum of

1086
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:27,920
conspiracy theory which goes into every

1087
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:30,480
rabbit hole possible of possibilities

1088
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,800
and that kind of dilutes the truth in a

1089
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:35,040
lot of ways in in my opinion about what

1090
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:36,400
is actually happening and then you've

1091
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,960
got the

1092
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,960
other far spectrum of censorship and

1093
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,800
people that can't even look at you know

1094
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,160
the possibilities that

1095
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,920
the system that they're being served up

1096
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,359
is not really the

1097
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:47,200
the you know the system that's being

1098
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,119
presented there and so i think the

1099
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:51,119
opportunity that's provided in this age

1100
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:53,040
is for us to really take a step back and

1101
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:55,040
look at how far we got from each other

1102
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,960
and try to find a place in the center

1103
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,319
and understand who we are

1104
00:49:01,589 --> 00:49:00,720
collectively right now and pour that

1105
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,599
into

1106
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,440
taking down this system while

1107
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:05,599
simultaneously rebuilding the system and

1108
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,880
that means through art that means

1109
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:08,079
through government that means through

1110
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,880
schooling

1111
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,480
everything that we can possibly

1112
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:12,480
transform together collectively to bring

1113
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:12,800
us

1114
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:15,680
closer to the truth and to each other is

1115
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:16,000
pretty

1116
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,520
much in my opinion the only way we're

1117
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,599
going to make it through this if not

1118
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:21,920
you know it's just a different path well

1119
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:24,160
you know we've got a situation where

1120
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:27,599
uh the conspiracy theorist out there

1121
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:31,040
had talked for years about uh

1122
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,000
the man the government agencies spying

1123
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:35,760
on their own people and listening to

1124
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,160
this

1125
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:39,200
and reading your mail and and and then

1126
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:40,880
all of a sudden you know and that was

1127
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,040
left to us tin foil hatters

1128
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:45,280
right to chat about ah the government

1129
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,400
would never do that

1130
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,400
and then edward snowden comes along and

1131
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:50,400
says oh yes they

1132
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,880
they can and they are and they are doing

1133
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:54,720
it right now

1134
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:57,520
that just freaked everybody out and for

1135
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:58,960
the conspiracy theorist

1136
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,000
you really you you want to believe but

1137
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:04,079
you don't want the truth

1138
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:08,480
because it messes with your head

1139
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,880
and something like that comes along now

1140
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,880
we have these other conspiracy theories

1141
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:14,400
of which there are thousands

1142
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:17,839
all over today today fresh ones that are

1143
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:19,040
being created

1144
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,800
and you can always go back to you know

1145
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:22,640
something like edward snowden when there

1146
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:23,119
is

1147
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:26,160
like one grain of truth then it all must

1148
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,040
be true

1149
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,839
and that's another danger zone isn't it

1150
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,680
exactly yeah without a doubt

1151
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:33,280
and i think you know one of the things

1152
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:35,040
that's important is to

1153
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:36,800
you know look at what's tangible look at

1154
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:38,319
the evidence that's tangible it's

1155
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:41,040
interesting to daydream and hypothesize

1156
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:41,920
and ponder

1157
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:44,160
about the possibilities of every single

1158
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,680
rabbit hole that's created

1159
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:47,359
but when it comes to keeping sane

1160
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,880
through this process and really being

1161
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,319
balanced it's important to look at the

1162
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,640
tangibles and so in relationship to that

1163
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:54,559
you know a thousand pieces is talking

1164
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,760
about cointelpro

1165
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:57,280
you know something that's been widely

1166
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:58,960
known for a long time that you know

1167
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,760
targeted

1168
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:02,000
uh you know revolutionary leaders in the

1169
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,280
the 60s

1170
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:05,200
talks about operation northwoods and the

1171
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:07,520
idea of false flags being suggested on

1172
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:08,000
the american

1173
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:11,200
people mk ultra

1174
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,800
operation mockingbird these are all

1175
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,559
things that a thousand pieces explores

1176
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:16,079
but these are tangible pieces of

1177
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:17,599
evidence to the american public and the

1178
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,559
global public

1179
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:20,720
that intelligence agencies and these

1180
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:22,000
conspiracy theories

1181
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,599
whether it's jfk whether it's the

1182
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,960
assassination of martin luther king

1183
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:25,920
malcolm x

1184
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:28,079
you know whatever those conspiracy

1185
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,280
theories are in

1186
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,520
in whole and have been part of our you

1187
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:33,599
know collective folklore here

1188
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,160
there is truth behind those things and

1189
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:37,920
there's evidence and tangible evidence

1190
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,800
behind them

1191
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,400
and those are the things that i think

1192
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:41,920
are really important when

1193
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,720
you know engaging people outside of the

1194
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:46,000
possibilities of

1195
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,520
you know their normal days when you want

1196
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:49,040
to engage with people and talk about

1197
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,040
these things it's it's important to

1198
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,520
start with tangibles not the deepest

1199
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,680
darkest spaces of the rabbit hole unless

1200
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,119
you know it's a it's a good buddy and

1201
00:52:03,430 --> 00:51:59,680
you got a couple beers at a joint

1202
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:03,440
right well and how do

1203
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:06,079
you know a film like a thousand pieces

1204
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,760
or anybody else that wants to do a

1205
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:09,599
documentary like this

1206
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:13,119
where it appears now that if you

1207
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:15,680
are not on the right side of big tech

1208
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:18,400
you're not going to catch a break

1209
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,040
i think that that's it's an incredible

1210
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:23,440
opportunity for everybody to really see

1211
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,559
this right now

1212
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,640
and it's also an opportunity to start

1213
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:28,240
dialogue around

1214
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:29,680
internet bill of rights you know what

1215
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:31,680
does free speech mean from an internet

1216
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:32,480
standpoint

1217
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,160
especially in a modern age where

1218
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,079
violence is being incited and

1219
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:38,720
you know there's all different types of

1220
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:39,200
rhetoric

1221
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:42,160
and propaganda it's like where do we you

1222
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:44,079
know we either choose free speech which

1223
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:45,119
means we accept

1224
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:47,520
everyone and even the worst of us are

1225
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:49,359
valued from the standpoint of that's a

1226
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:51,119
problem we need to fix collectively

1227
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:53,599
right or you choose censorship and you

1228
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:54,240
know that's

1229
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:56,000
it's a rough road because when you start

1230
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:58,079
censoring one you know who's the next

1231
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,000
and who's the next and so i think

1232
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:02,319
that this dialogue right now especially

1233
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:04,000
around the tech monopolies that are

1234
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:05,839
happening in the censorship that's going

1235
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:07,119
on

1236
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:09,520
it's a beautiful thing for us to engage

1237
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:10,480
in right now

1238
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,880
but it's also very timely from the

1239
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,480
standpoint are there

1240
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:16,720
you know with hundreds of people that

1241
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,920
are popping up

1242
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,520
you know new platforms and that are

1243
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,119
taking this on and that are inspiring

1244
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:23,040
other people to expand out so

1245
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,359
whatever the giants are trying to squash

1246
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,880
all it's doing is just kind of

1247
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,880
making it really messy and get all over

1248
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:30,400
the room you know like it's it's

1249
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:32,240
everywhere for everybody to see

1250
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:35,599
now where do you stand though it's one

1251
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:37,839
thing to have freedom of speech

1252
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:41,280
and freedom of thought and then freedom

1253
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:44,000
of making up a bunch of bs

1254
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,240
in a conspiracy theory for clicks

1255
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,880
i think that that's free speech that's

1256
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:52,240
one of the things you have to account

1257
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:52,880
for in sp

1258
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:55,760
free speech and so when i go into that

1259
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:57,520
philosophical conversation

1260
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,400
i revert back to natural law and my kind

1261
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:02,160
of anarchist philosophy that i've always

1262
00:54:05,390 --> 00:54:03,359
followed which is

1263
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,400
you know do no harm you take

1264
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:07,200
responsibility for yourself

1265
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:09,920
and personal sovereignty and do no harm

1266
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:12,000
are you doing harm are you intentionally

1267
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,880
doing harm

1268
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:14,880
that's when it crosses you know people's

1269
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,240
uh sovereignty and

1270
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,240
it's also on the responsibility of the

1271
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:20,160
people to vet the information that

1272
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:21,920
they're taking to be emotionally

1273
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:24,400
balanced enough mentally balanced enough

1274
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:26,000
to really kind of do the little bit of

1275
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:27,440
research it takes and

1276
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:30,000
you know separate things from you know

1277
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:31,280
what is tangible

1278
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:34,559
and what is you know just possible and

1279
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:36,799
when people kind of find that balance i

1280
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,799
think a lot of the division

1281
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:40,559
kind of falls away because it all just

1282
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:42,559
becomes information you know everybody

1283
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,280
has their own

1284
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:45,599
specific viewpoint i'm not going to have

1285
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,440
the same interpretation of you

1286
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,960
and i jimmy sitting here having this

1287
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,480
conversation you're looking through your

1288
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:52,000
eyes on that end i'm looking through my

1289
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:54,000
eyes on this end and so we all

1290
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,520
objectively see

1291
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:58,079
what we can and perceive as our truth

1292
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,280
but ultimately

1293
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:01,200
we don't have eyes on everything we do

1294
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,640
collectively together

1295
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:04,720
and that's where it really really comes

1296
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:05,760
to a place of

1297
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:08,000
you know understanding that the division

1298
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,240
and the separations they're not really

1299
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:12,559
real they're based off of you know

1300
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:13,680
opinions

1301
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,240
that are inherent to every individual

1302
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:17,920
but in the same way

1303
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:20,240
the opportunity for all of us to look at

1304
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:21,520
something collectively

1305
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:23,839
objectively you know with a little bit

1306
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,520
more humor maybe with a little bit more

1307
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:27,440
lightness to research these things

1308
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:29,520
those are the possibilities i see in the

1309
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,799
future when all of this

1310
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:32,720
um you know stuff starts to be uncovered

1311
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:33,920
more we're living in the age of

1312
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:35,440
disclosure right now and so

1313
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:37,119
you know this is this is new uncharted

1314
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:38,480
territory for everybody

1315
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:40,000
and i think the family that's been

1316
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:42,079
pioneering these efforts for decades

1317
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:43,920
have done a phenomenal job to get us to

1318
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,720
this point

1319
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:46,400
and i think that we can get through it

1320
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:48,000
and and be incredible

1321
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,359
mirrors to the rest of the world of how

1322
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:51,680
to deal with you know uncovering who we

1323
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:52,559
really are

1324
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,920
are you suggesting uh i i hear you

1325
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,760
saying almost two things

1326
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,359
uh that we should almost have a

1327
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:01,359
citizen's tribunal

1328
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:04,319
to oversee censorship after it's been

1329
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:04,960
censored

1330
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:08,000
right something of that context but then

1331
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:11,599
also leaving it up to the individual to

1332
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:14,240
practice their own discernment

1333
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:16,160
you can't really have both i mean so

1334
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:17,359
which way do we go

1335
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:21,040
moving forward i mean for for me i

1336
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:23,119
may be a paradox when it's within itself

1337
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,280
but i do believe you can have both

1338
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:27,359
from the standpoint of leaving it up to

1339
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,880
every individual that's your own

1340
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:30,960
personal responsibility that you have to

1341
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,799
take on you know for

1342
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,720
you as an individual you know in your

1343
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:36,240
own life but in the same way

1344
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:39,200
people i believe and live under the oath

1345
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,520
that

1346
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:42,000
i'm responsible also for you know the

1347
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:43,440
the collective and whole

1348
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:46,079
and and being of service to that and so

1349
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:46,559
i see

1350
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,559
great service and the abilities of

1351
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,240
having tribunals together

1352
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:52,480
you know to investigate topics to really

1353
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:54,079
look at these things and to really

1354
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:54,799
understand

1355
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:57,040
i mean uh from the anarchist perspective

1356
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:59,359
i choose that philosophy because no one

1357
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,079
gets left

1358
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:02,559
out even in a democratic voting system

1359
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:03,359
someone's left

1360
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:06,000
out and you can look at you know there's

1361
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,440
you know people that talk about

1362
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:09,280
a voting system democratic systems are

1363
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,720
just systems of slavery

1364
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:12,720
and that's you know neither here nor

1365
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:14,960
there based off of perspectives but

1366
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:17,280
you know to me the only place we can go

1367
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:18,319
together

1368
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:22,559
of separations you know

1369
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:25,920
race uh you know all the things that are

1370
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:27,520
the dividing us gender

1371
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,200
everything that divides us from that

1372
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:31,040
standpoint you know

1373
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,839
all of that stuff can be collapsed into

1374
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:35,520
an understanding that we're all trying

1375
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:37,440
to better each other but we all have

1376
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:38,799
personal sovereignty that we need to

1377
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:40,799
take responsibility for ourselves

1378
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,680
well i i agree with you and uh it's

1379
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:45,440
always been our position

1380
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:49,599
as a network uh for

1381
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:51,680
us to put out the information and allow

1382
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,960
the audience to use their own

1383
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:54,559
discernment that's it

1384
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:56,799
you guys can pick and choose where you

1385
00:58:02,789 --> 00:57:59,359
want to go they are the judge and jury

1386
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:02,799
i am not but the paradox of that is

1387
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:05,920
i also use my own discernment right i

1388
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:07,359
can pick and choose who

1389
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:10,480
who i have on the show right

1390
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:13,119
and use my discernment there and you

1391
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:14,640
know in a strange way

1392
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:17,760
i feel like i am censoring and

1393
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:21,119
the uh but that is a different position

1394
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:21,839
than the way

1395
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:24,799
youtube or or twitter or whatever is

1396
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,079
taking where they're not even

1397
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:28,480
allowing it to go out there to begin

1398
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:30,000
with because it goes against their

1399
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:31,200
philosophy

1400
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:33,839
and i think that's that that is in

1401
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:35,040
indeed wrong

1402
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:38,079
unless it's causing harm like you said

1403
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:40,079
yeah and i think that you know that's

1404
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:41,200
one of those things that's being

1405
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:42,960
presented right now for us to all look

1406
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:43,280
at

1407
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,520
but when it comes to social media

1408
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:47,280
platforms there's a greater conversation

1409
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:48,640
to be had here and it's about our

1410
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:49,520
information

1411
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,319
it's about you know basically what you

1412
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,000
eat who your friends circles are what

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your likes are what you don't like

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everything you know all the information

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that you pump

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00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:01,040
into these platforms here right now is

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00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,200
being sold and it's being sold to market

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00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:04,960
you products it's being sold

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00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:06,240
you know to the highest bidder it's

1420
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:08,079
being hacked it's being taken on that

1421
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:08,960
standpoint

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00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:11,359
and so where i see this going in the

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00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,000
future

1424
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,480
you know if i had to place my bets on it

1425
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,720
is the complete collapse of these social

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00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:18,000
media giants and it

1427
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:19,520
being something more like public

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00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:20,960
utilities and it's the same with you

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00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,520
know the

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00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:23,520
the search engines too that there

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00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,559
there's a point

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00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,640
in the future here where we have to

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00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:28,720
protect ourselves in the real

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00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,160
world just as much as we do in the

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00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,319
digital world or vice versa i should say

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00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:34,240
and that digital world that our

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00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,160
information that we turn over

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00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:38,400
every single day this stuff is being

1439
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:39,520
captured and

1440
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:41,839
you know put together in profiles of who

1441
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:42,880
we are you know

1442
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:45,599
and that that deeply puts us at a

1443
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:46,799
vulnerability

1444
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:49,839
as you know individuals to a state or to

1445
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,960
a corporation

1446
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,559
and these are things that we really

1447
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,240
really need to start understanding and

1448
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,240
looking at and resolve and come to

1449
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:58,400
terms with collectively and present

1450
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:59,280
solutions and

1451
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:00,720
and you know move forward with them

1452
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:03,119
because if not you know we're continuing

1453
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:05,920
down this road of of division and battle

1454
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:08,319
um when you just it's not needed right

1455
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:08,960
now there's

1456
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:10,960
other options let's take our break right

1457
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:12,799
here roger got to do that when we come

1458
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:13,440
back

1459
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:16,880
can we talk some ufos can we talk to you

1460
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:19,200
roger just gave me the thumbs up yes

1461
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:21,280
siree thanks we'll be right back our

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01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:22,640
guest tonight roger richards i'm your

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01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,839
host jimmy church

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this is fade to black on the game

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changer network and kgra the planet stay

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[Applause]

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this is fade to black with jimmy church

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01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:52,870
welcome back fade to black i am your

1592
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:55,119
host jimmy church tonight roger richards

1593
01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:56,160
is with us

1594
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:57,760
listening to the commercial break there

1595
01:06:02,230 --> 01:06:00,400
serena serena wright taylor talking

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about the conscious life expo we got a

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big announcement coming up wednesday

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night with that and you're going to want

1599
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:07,440
to tune in

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01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:10,880
um now uh back to uh roger oh i was

1601
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:12,319
watching you bob your head you didn't

1602
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:13,920
know i could play guitar like that did

1603
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:19,029
oh hold on i got a short in my system

1604
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:20,880
what was that is that you ripping on

1605
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:21,839
that guitar there

1606
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:24,160
man what do you think that's amazing

1607
01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:25,599
what do you think no that's not

1608
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,640
me i'm a hack

1609
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:30,640
i'm a hack i'm a hack just like you when

1610
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:32,400
it comes to music

1611
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:35,119
what kind of guitars do you have um i

1612
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:37,280
i've got a couple acoustics i've got

1613
01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:39,359
in my older age really enjoyed hitting

1614
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:41,119
up the acoustic guitars and

1615
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:43,119
uh you know but i played a les paul when

1616
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:44,640
i was younger stratocaster is

1617
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:47,359
younger telecaster i love i like the the

1618
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:48,880
you know the gibson stuff

1619
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:51,520
yeah yeah it's weird acoustic guitars

1620
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:52,640
and me

1621
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:56,000
i i just we don't get along yeah it's a

1622
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:56,960
different beast

1623
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:00,640
we don't get along i can only play uh cg

1624
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,960
f and d so many times in so many

1625
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:04,400
combinations

1626
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:06,319
and then i break off in the stairway to

1627
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:07,520
heaven and then it's just

1628
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:09,920
it's all over exactly yeah i'm into like

1629
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:12,240
baritone guitars like i've got a jag six

1630
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:13,680
you know like yeah

1631
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:16,559
yeah so those the those i like the old

1632
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:18,559
you know school stuff but also

1633
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:21,119
different uh odd tunings and old open

1634
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:22,720
court blues tunings things like that

1635
01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:24,079
yeah right on right on

1636
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:26,559
see i'm always impressed i wasn't that

1637
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:27,839
impressed with you in the beginning

1638
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:30,079
though so let's back up

1639
01:07:36,549 --> 01:07:33,280
okay disclosure now when

1640
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:36,559
um i'd like to uh which i think it's

1641
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:39,599
generally true um i've got my finger on

1642
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:40,799
the pulse of the community

1643
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:43,520
i know everybody everybody knows me i've

1644
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:45,119
interviewed everybody

1645
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:48,240
i hang out right and then

1646
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:50,480
then along comes this guy roger richard

1647
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:52,160
and i'm like wait wait wait wait wait

1648
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:52,559
wait

1649
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:00,960
right and uh

1650
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:04,559
you you came on uh fairly quickly and

1651
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:05,599
fairly strong

1652
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:07,760
um i got to know you early enough where

1653
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:09,359
i thought okay

1654
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:11,920
this is a guy that finishes what he

1655
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:14,160
starts he's very serious and he's very

1656
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:15,280
professional

1657
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:18,400
but that that is only the roger richards

1658
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:19,279
that

1659
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:24,080
because i've only known you for a few

1660
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:27,520
years yeah right i guess that let's

1661
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:29,600
figure out the math here four years yeah

1662
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:32,239
four years yeah yeah okay so

1663
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:35,359
before that what came first

1664
01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:38,880
disclosure or roger richards

1665
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:41,679
because you know what i mean because you

1666
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:42,400
started

1667
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:45,920
using that word and and

1668
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:48,719
and working on that community way before

1669
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:50,880
this community knew who you were

1670
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:53,920
anybody in the community most definitely

1671
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:56,480
and um that started with just my own

1672
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:57,679
interests again

1673
01:09:01,590 --> 01:08:59,679
with just uh trying to understand some

1674
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:01,600
experiences that uh i couldn't

1675
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:03,440
you know really understand from my

1676
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:05,359
childhood uh it started with the

1677
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:06,799
disappearance of my brother

1678
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:10,080
also in you know 2016 here that

1679
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:12,239
kind of perpetuated me diving even

1680
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:14,319
further into that experience but

1681
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:17,040
yeah i've i have been on the the search

1682
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:17,839
for a while

1683
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:21,120
and um i to be perfectly honest i've

1684
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:22,400
been involved in

1685
01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:24,960
all sorts of you know activism

1686
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:26,239
throughout the years whether it's

1687
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:28,080
march against monsanto or anti-war

1688
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:29,679
efforts you know things like that that's

1689
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:31,759
that was a big part of you know who i am

1690
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:32,400
and

1691
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:34,080
you know when i came to the kind of

1692
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:35,839
disclosure community and the information

1693
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:36,480
there

1694
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:40,799
was not a lot of direct action happening

1695
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:42,480
you know in this community there's a lot

1696
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:43,839
of people that are

1697
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:45,359
putting out information and doing

1698
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:46,960
research and writing books and doing

1699
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:48,000
documentary films

1700
01:09:52,149 --> 01:09:49,920
but there wasn't really like an

1701
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:52,159
organized effort for people to

1702
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:54,080
you know express direct action from the

1703
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,920
standpoint of like what are these

1704
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:57,520
unexplained technologies that

1705
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:59,199
have been witnessed by millions of

1706
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:01,280
people worldwide for you know thousands

1707
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:02,480
of years and

1708
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:05,120
and you know why is this obviously being

1709
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:06,880
kept from us and what kind of efforts

1710
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:08,640
can we collectively put together from a

1711
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:10,080
direct action standpoint

1712
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,520
to kind of bring these things out to the

1713
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:13,840
public and that's where it kind of led

1714
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,960
me to the idea of

1715
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:16,800
the collective consciousness and using

1716
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:18,640
the collective consciousness as a place

1717
01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:20,560
for direct action through meditation and

1718
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:21,280
prayer

1719
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:23,679
you know especially at times right now

1720
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:24,400
where

1721
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:26,400
you know it's very contentious to get

1722
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:27,520
together in public

1723
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:29,760
you know communities and groups to

1724
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:31,520
protest and

1725
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,840
you know it's really intense to you know

1726
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:35,440
witness people's different opinions and

1727
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:36,880
different sides

1728
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:38,960
but when you do that from the standpoint

1729
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:40,480
of meditation silence

1730
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:42,880
and you know collecting together in you

1731
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:44,239
know either locations or just

1732
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:46,000
synchronizing yourselves together at a

1733
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:47,679
certain time you know every day

1734
01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:49,360
i saw that as the place for this

1735
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:51,760
community to access direct action and so

1736
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:53,760
that kind of manifested into what i

1737
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:55,120
you know started doing with full

1738
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:56,719
disclosure now early on in this

1739
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:57,440
community

1740
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:00,000
now i want to talk about your brother

1741
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:02,320
but you also mentioned

1742
01:11:06,270 --> 01:11:04,400
uh some things that happened when you

1743
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:06,280
were younger was this an

1744
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:08,080
extraterrestrial

1745
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:11,120
et type of experience

1746
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:13,280
it was definitely witnessing some type

1747
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:15,040
of advanced technology

1748
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:18,239
and um what was it how old were you

1749
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:20,719
what happened it was probably about five

1750
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:22,320
or six years old there

1751
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:24,560
some of my like first experiences were

1752
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:26,880
five or six years old and i remember

1753
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:28,960
you know waking up uh in the middle of

1754
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:30,880
the night a whole room flooded of light

1755
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:32,000
you know these these very kind of

1756
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:33,520
typical stories of

1757
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,159
you know abductees i remember going

1758
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:38,239
outside and interacting with

1759
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:41,120
uh some types of beings that definitely

1760
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:42,320
did not look uh

1761
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:46,080
a humanoid and um you know that kind of

1762
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:48,159
the journey with those beings and that

1763
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:50,320
experience kind of started from

1764
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:53,120
that early age but they were you know

1765
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:54,000
fractured pieces

1766
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:55,840
of memories there were just enough to

1767
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:57,360
just question like

1768
01:12:01,270 --> 01:12:00,159
what the hell was that what state where

1769
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:01,280
were you living

1770
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:03,840
i was living in utah actually provo utah

1771
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:05,840
outs in a very small town called

1772
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:08,800
wallsburg which is you know maybe 350

1773
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:09,760
400 people

1774
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:12,800
there and um the native americans used

1775
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:13,920
to call it round valley

1776
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:16,640
this small little town outside of provo

1777
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:17,600
utah

1778
01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:20,320
but you know starting to have those

1779
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:22,400
experiences and then just having these

1780
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:24,159
fractured pieces of memories and always

1781
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,199
just kind of that

1782
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:27,120
that ish that could never be scratched i

1783
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:28,480
chose to go and

1784
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,640
um meet with a woman in barbara lamb you

1785
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:32,159
know i know you know barbara

1786
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:34,159
of course yes and and the work that

1787
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:35,600
she's done with um

1788
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:38,239
you know contactees and abductees you

1789
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,800
know for

1790
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:40,480
i think going on now three decades

1791
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:42,320
probably uh the work that she's done in

1792
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:43,040
that area

1793
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:45,040
and you know i started to explore and

1794
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:47,040
look at these memories through hypnosis

1795
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:49,440
and it was really an intense uh

1796
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:50,080
experience

1797
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,920
to kind of open up to the possibilities

1798
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:53,440
of you know

1799
01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:55,679
what is out there through hypnotic

1800
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:56,800
regression and

1801
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:58,480
through looking through the keyholes of

1802
01:13:01,110 --> 01:13:00,320
these you know fractured experiences

1803
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:01,120
that i have

1804
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:03,360
what's it like to have a session with

1805
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:04,159
barbara lamb

1806
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:07,040
who is absolutely hands down one of the

1807
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:08,159
nicest coolest

1808
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:10,719
brightest rays of sunshine on this

1809
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:11,360
planet

1810
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:12,960
right i think yeah i think that

1811
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:14,400
absolutely coins it

1812
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:17,440
barbara has an incredible light

1813
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:20,400
about her in general and she's also you

1814
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:22,239
know for people that haven't experienced

1815
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:23,760
doing hypnotherapy or if you've got

1816
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:24,640
experiences

1817
01:13:28,229 --> 01:13:26,159
of your own you want to explore through

1818
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:28,239
hypnotherapy it's really really smart to

1819
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:29,840
vet the hypnotherapist that you work

1820
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:31,280
with from the standpoint

1821
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:33,440
of them not front loading you with

1822
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:35,920
information prior to that barbara is a

1823
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:36,640
true

1824
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:39,440
you know pro in that avenue and really

1825
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:41,440
just kind of sticks to the basics of

1826
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:44,480
you know textbook and you know providing

1827
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:46,159
that experience there

1828
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:48,640
and then you provide the rest in in in

1829
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:49,199
all of that

1830
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:51,040
and she's you know meticulously

1831
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:53,199
documented you know like i said three

1832
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:55,199
decades more of these experiences i

1833
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:57,040
think she's probably one of the

1834
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:59,440
you know larger people that have

1835
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,400
accumulated

1836
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,640
you know these this type of information

1837
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:04,320
the most in the community over the last

1838
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:05,280
three decades how

1839
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:08,719
how easy was it to be regressed

1840
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:12,080
for me like i'm pretty uh like

1841
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,920
adjusted to the idea of meditation and

1842
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:15,600
putting myself into those states you

1843
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:16,400
know like right

1844
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:19,760
right so it was pretty easy for me

1845
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:21,920
to just kind of slip into that but if

1846
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:23,360
you're not familiar with

1847
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:25,199
you know putting yourself in really

1848
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:28,159
relaxed states and lucid states um you

1849
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:28,960
know it can take

1850
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:31,199
it it can take it can be challenging to

1851
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:32,400
to get past that point

1852
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:35,440
did were you singing like a bird i was

1853
01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:37,040
not singing like a bird

1854
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:39,040
i was definitely like whispering a lot

1855
01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:40,239
well i think one of the things that

1856
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:42,320
fascinated me about the

1857
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:44,400
um listening to the recording afterwards

1858
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:45,920
is actually hearing like

1859
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:48,159
tonal adjustments based off of age like

1860
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:49,040
i could actually

1861
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:52,719
hear uh like a change in my vocabulary

1862
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:55,520
based off of where i was at in age which

1863
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:56,000
was really

1864
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:58,159
shocking and a part of you know me going

1865
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:59,600
all right maybe there is something to

1866
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:01,280
this this is a trip you know

1867
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:04,400
so and what what what did you learn

1868
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:07,600
that you didn't remember i i

1869
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:10,560
learned that i've been interacting on

1870
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:11,040
some

1871
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:15,520
understand to me

1872
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:17,760
and that's that that's about all that i

1873
01:15:22,709 --> 01:15:20,960
can absolutely put into like terms and

1874
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:22,719
uh you know from a standpoint of

1875
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,239
anything that's concrete

1876
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:26,320
and that's what's been at the basis of

1877
01:15:29,110 --> 01:15:27,280
driving me

1878
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:29,120
through this experience you know it's

1879
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:31,199
been the engine that's perpetuated

1880
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:33,520
you know that long-term goal of getting

1881
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:35,440
to the truth and understanding that

1882
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:37,280
and i'm still nowhere near it i don't

1883
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:38,880
think you know i've definitely had

1884
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:42,080
an uh a huge amount of especially over

1885
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:42,800
the last

1886
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:44,480
you know three four years working on

1887
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:46,640
these films the ability to you know

1888
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,840
interview people

1889
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:49,679
you know like william tompkins was an

1890
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:51,679
incredible person to you know connect

1891
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:52,000
with

1892
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:54,480
and and you know hear his story but the

1893
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:55,520
ability to

1894
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:57,520
to be closer with these people talk to

1895
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:59,199
them more take these interviews it's

1896
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:00,480
it's all been this

1897
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:02,880
great information flow that's helped me

1898
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:03,520
kind of come

1899
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:05,600
closer to understanding my own personal

1900
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:06,800
experiences but

1901
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:08,400
nowhere near the end of it i know that

1902
01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:10,000
much um

1903
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:12,159
what happened with your brother in uh

1904
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:14,000
2015

1905
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:17,679
he disappeared the last email

1906
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:21,120
that was sent to myself and my mother

1907
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:22,480
and our family

1908
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:25,199
had some information in it that was

1909
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:26,400
really

1910
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:29,760
shocking from the standpoint of

1911
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:32,800
you know something went wrong something

1912
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:36,239
something happened that uh involved

1913
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,080
something that he couldn't talk about

1914
01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:40,480
and my brother is a part of some of the

1915
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:42,000
early memories that i have to

1916
01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:43,920
interacting with these you know strange

1917
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:45,280
experiences and

1918
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:47,440
i you know slowly putting together this

1919
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:48,960
story and will eventually

1920
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:51,360
you know have the catharsis of

1921
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:53,360
manifesting into some body of work

1922
01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:54,800
whether it's a book or

1923
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:56,560
you know a film you know in that

1924
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:57,840
experience but

1925
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:59,440
you know that's that's a big part of it

1926
01:17:02,149 --> 01:17:01,280
he's been missing you know for four

1927
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:02,159
years now

1928
01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:04,640
his name is joshua ramsar he goes by

1929
01:17:08,510 --> 01:17:05,600
stray

1930
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:08,520
he was last seen in seattle in october

1931
01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:09,760
2016

1932
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:12,719
and you know we haven't heard from him

1933
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:13,280
you know

1934
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:17,360
that

1935
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:23,920
has passed but his um you know his

1936
01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:25,199
passing has a lot

1937
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:28,239
of uh mystery around how he passed and

1938
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:28,800
i'm still

1939
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:30,560
trying to kind of put that all together

1940
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:32,239
so though all those things have just

1941
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:33,600
kind of driven me to

1942
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:35,760
kind of do this work and be involved in

1943
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:36,960
this work and

1944
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:39,600
um you know it's it's it's been what's

1945
01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:40,960
kept me going through this

1946
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:43,040
to to figure out the truth do you think

1947
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:44,880
that there is something

1948
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:48,320
um uh you know i'm just gonna use a

1949
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:49,440
basic word

1950
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:52,320
supernatural uh to his disappearance

1951
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:53,120
something

1952
01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:55,440
other than normal i guess is what i'm

1953
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:56,719
suggesting

1954
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:58,480
yeah i definitely know that there's

1955
01:18:01,189 --> 01:18:00,159
something other than normal but what

1956
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:01,199
defines normal

1957
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:03,120
you know right right this reality of

1958
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:04,560
things but i

1959
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:07,040
um there is definitely things that are

1960
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:08,239
way out of place that

1961
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:10,880
are abnormal and you know that's been at

1962
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:12,480
the heart of trying to

1963
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:15,280
understand my family's story and um you

1964
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:16,960
know do a lot of healing to figure out

1965
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:18,000
what happened to all of us

1966
01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:21,679
um was there uh an official

1967
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:24,880
um uh a death certificate

1968
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:27,600
in a place of death and at this time

1969
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:29,280
that's what we're still trying to kind

1970
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:31,040
of organize and put together

1971
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:33,600
and get closure on and really still

1972
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:34,400
investigate

1973
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:36,320
you know there is a lot of information

1974
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:38,239
that kind of came forward last year

1975
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:38,640
that's

1976
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:41,199
you know put together those pieces but

1977
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:43,440
um you know going deeper here there's

1978
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:45,199
just like when you think you know you've

1979
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:46,719
got conclusions and

1980
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:48,560
you finished it all up it's like another

1981
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:50,880
door opens and it's like oh man

1982
01:18:54,149 --> 01:18:53,840
where is this road going right right how

1983
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:54,159
old

1984
01:19:01,590 --> 01:19:00,880
well in 2016 let's see he would have

1985
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:01,600
been

1986
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:04,880
22 if i can do the math correctly

1987
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:07,440
so knowing you and knowing me he's about

1988
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:08,960
half our age

1989
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:11,520
yes okay i got you i got you and this

1990
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:13,040
was in seattle

1991
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:16,800
yep okay you know um i can see that

1992
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:18,159
you're emotionally i

1993
01:19:21,430 --> 01:19:20,000
i can't imagine what you and your family

1994
01:19:24,070 --> 01:19:21,440
are going through

1995
01:19:24,550 --> 01:19:24,080
um but we all need answers and we're

1996
01:19:26,950 --> 01:19:24,560
going to

1997
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:26,960
continue to seek those answers and this

1998
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:28,560
has always been your life's

1999
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:31,600
journey is is to go and find answers so

2000
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:32,640
i hope that you do

2001
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:35,920
and and uh and you you guys get your the

2002
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:37,600
closure that you need i can't imagine

2003
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:38,719
going through that

2004
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:42,480
as a parent you know uh as a brother

2005
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:45,120
of of my siblings i i just can't imagine

2006
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:46,320
going through that

2007
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:49,360
um now uh

2008
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:52,640
continuing with disclosure as you

2009
01:19:59,110 --> 01:19:55,920
uh got into the disclosure community

2010
01:20:02,390 --> 01:19:59,120
and the ufo community um

2011
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:02,400
was it what you expected

2012
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:05,600
no not at all like i think like

2013
01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:08,400
you know you're never prepared for all

2014
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:10,000
the doors that open and all the rabbit

2015
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:10,880
holes that open

2016
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:12,880
i think anybody that's like truly

2017
01:20:16,629 --> 01:20:14,560
committed to disclosure and the

2018
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:16,639
conspiracy truth community is constantly

2019
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:18,000
on the verge of schizophrenia

2020
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:20,400
you know like literally just like

2021
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:22,320
driving yourself insane in the

2022
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:24,000
in the process of trying to figure out

2023
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:25,600
what's going on but

2024
01:20:28,709 --> 01:20:27,840
um you know one thing i didn't expect

2025
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:28,719
was to be

2026
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:32,000
targeted so like intensely by

2027
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:34,080
people that have incredibly bold

2028
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:36,320
opinions about who they think i am or

2029
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:38,560
the work that i do or all of those

2030
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:39,920
things without even

2031
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:42,000
like knowing who i am and and that's one

2032
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:43,040
of the things that

2033
01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:44,560
when you get into this community and you

2034
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:46,719
realize where the far spectrum of

2035
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:48,320
conspiracy theorists like are really

2036
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:50,080
harmful from that standpoint

2037
01:20:54,149 --> 01:20:51,920
and that's why tangible you know

2038
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:54,159
evidence is you know really important

2039
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:57,360
from you know being able to base your

2040
01:21:02,629 --> 01:20:59,760
foundation of beliefs on i have

2041
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:02,639
and will always support the avid like

2042
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:03,679
daydream and

2043
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:05,920
exploring of every rabbit hole possible

2044
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:07,920
because that's what i do and i love

2045
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:09,199
doing that and i love

2046
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:12,080
having every perspective to look at to

2047
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:12,880
ponder on

2048
01:21:16,390 --> 01:21:14,960
and help me put the pieces together but

2049
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:16,400
it's not something that i'm going to get

2050
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:18,320
tomorrow or the next day or maybe even

2051
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:20,080
in this lifetime i think that's part of

2052
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:21,600
the whole perpetual journey

2053
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:24,000
the you know the idea of this ongoing

2054
01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:25,440
myth that you're chasing trying to

2055
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:26,320
understand the

2056
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:27,520
you know the truth of all that is

2057
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:29,440
reality has just manifested

2058
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:31,199
here in this moment for me in this

2059
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:33,120
community as that

2060
01:21:38,709 --> 01:21:36,719
well okay so here we are uh in january

2061
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:38,719
of 2021

2062
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:42,159
hindsight is always a [\h__\h] and you can

2063
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:43,360
never have regrets

2064
01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:44,880
you live your life you're an adult you

2065
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:46,400
make your decisions

2066
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:49,040
but looking back is there anything that

2067
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:52,239
you regret was there a bad decision

2068
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:54,639
i mean bad decisions are always

2069
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:55,679
catalysts

2070
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:57,920
if i had to say do i regret anything

2071
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:59,520
that's a definite no i don't carry

2072
01:22:01,990 --> 01:22:00,719
regrets you know i've been through

2073
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:02,000
enough in my life

2074
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:03,840
and enough hardships to know that you

2075
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:05,440
know every experience brings you an

2076
01:22:09,910 --> 01:22:07,440
opportunity and a catalyst to grow

2077
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:09,920
to either grow or die further and so i i

2078
01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:10,800
don't have any

2079
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:13,760
regrets there i'm always though open for

2080
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:15,280
new opportunities to heal

2081
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:17,120
new opportunities to make you know new

2082
01:22:20,229 --> 01:22:18,320
friends

2083
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:20,239
new opportunities to come together in

2084
01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:21,360
good conversation

2085
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:23,679
good collaboration you know all of these

2086
01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:24,880
things i don't i don't

2087
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:28,400
uh hold grudges uh i'm i'm definitely

2088
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:29,120
trying to live

2089
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:33,120
from a place of a humble compassionate

2090
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:35,440
um unconditional love for all people

2091
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:36,159
even my

2092
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:37,920
critics and the people that hate me i'll

2093
01:22:42,709 --> 01:22:39,600
watch their youtube shows and i'll laugh

2094
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:42,719
and i i if you ask anybody you know if

2095
01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:44,080
there's anybody that

2096
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:46,560
uh you know rags on me more it's me

2097
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:47,199
because i

2098
01:22:51,669 --> 01:22:50,400
enjoy that you know self-deprecation to

2099
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:51,679
the standpoint of

2100
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:53,440
being able to laugh at myself and and

2101
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:55,040
really that's what gets me through is

2102
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:57,360
being able to laugh at these experiences

2103
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:59,679
so you know from the regret standpoint

2104
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:00,800
no i don't regret

2105
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:02,800
anything if i carried regrets it would

2106
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:04,000
be like poison

2107
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:06,639
but um definitely bad decisions from the

2108
01:23:10,629 --> 01:23:08,320
standpoint of ooh it might have been

2109
01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:10,639
smarter to make that decision at that

2110
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:11,760
point in the road

2111
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:15,040
but in the same way i'm

2112
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:17,120
grateful to have all the opportunities

2113
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:18,800
that have been given to me

2114
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:20,719
that continually humble me that's the

2115
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:21,920
best i can say

2116
01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:25,040
over the weekend i watched

2117
01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:28,480
uh all right i'm just gonna be straight

2118
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:29,360
with everybody

2119
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:32,800
i watched the new edited version of the

2120
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:34,480
godfather part three

2121
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:37,120
okay now francis ford coppola took

2122
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:38,560
rolled the dice

2123
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:41,360
re-edited it is now called coda the

2124
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:42,080
death of

2125
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:45,280
michael corleone okay it's now no longer

2126
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:46,800
called godfather part three and i

2127
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:49,199
watched it and i enjoyed it

2128
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:52,880
i i appreciate him

2129
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,560
going back and trying to fix something

2130
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:56,239
that probably most people thought

2131
01:24:01,030 --> 01:23:57,679
couldn't be fixed

2132
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:01,040
it's now a watchable film will you

2133
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:04,000
pull a coppola and go back and re-edit

2134
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:04,639
anything

2135
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:07,440
in your past i think i'll do some

2136
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:09,360
director's cuts for sure

2137
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:12,159
if i ever can but i think that those

2138
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:12,639
those

2139
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:15,840
rarity and i would say coppola would

2140
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:16,560
probably

2141
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:18,400
say this too they embody something from

2142
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:20,400
that time you can always go back as an

2143
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:22,400
artist and you know reinvigorate

2144
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:23,920
reinterpret you know

2145
01:24:28,470 --> 01:24:26,480
uh you know things from the past there

2146
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:28,480
but there's something about the original

2147
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:30,480
you know star wars that's uh you just

2148
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:32,800
can't you just you can't

2149
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:35,120
get that from the new you know digital

2150
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:36,800
upgraded versions of these things you

2151
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:38,239
know there's something that

2152
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:41,040
embodies that time that's really

2153
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:42,719
important that gets encapsulated and

2154
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:45,440
trapped inside those you know projects

2155
01:24:50,149 --> 01:24:48,159
and so you know definitely always open

2156
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:50,159
to reinterpretations of those creative

2157
01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:51,440
pieces for sure

2158
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:53,440
and uh yeah maybe that's in the future

2159
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:55,600
but uh they stand as what they were

2160
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:57,520
you know an observation of that moment

2161
01:25:02,390 --> 01:24:59,280
in time well well said

2162
01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:02,400
and then i mean seriously well said but

2163
01:25:06,070 --> 01:25:03,040
then

2164
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:06,080
there's another part with what you do

2165
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:09,360
in guerrilla filmmaking and documentary

2166
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:10,560
filmmaking

2167
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:13,920
is that we are changing day to day now

2168
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:16,639
right where the historical notes in your

2169
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:18,000
documentary

2170
01:25:22,149 --> 01:25:20,320
are changing in real time and it doesn't

2171
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:22,159
matter what the subject is

2172
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:25,600
right um do you have to constantly go

2173
01:25:29,270 --> 01:25:27,760
back when is the film done

2174
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:29,280
you know what i mean when do you pull

2175
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:31,440
the trigger and go okay this is final

2176
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:32,800
edit

2177
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:35,679
time deadlines do that jimmy deadlines

2178
01:25:39,510 --> 01:25:37,600
do that because without deadlines i'd be

2179
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:39,520
in a cacophony of just like creative

2180
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:40,400
madness

2181
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:42,639
retooling retooling retooling retooling

2182
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:44,080
for creative like

2183
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:46,320
people who are like juggernauts in that

2184
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:48,800
space have just obsessed with creativity

2185
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:51,360
and all of that deadlines are the only

2186
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:51,840
thing

2187
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:55,120
that will bring compassion well yeah i

2188
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:56,159
mean because with

2189
01:26:00,310 --> 01:25:59,199
like a thousand pieces this is this is

2190
01:26:02,390 --> 01:26:00,320
like

2191
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:02,400
an up-to-date news program this is

2192
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:03,760
something that you can watch

2193
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:07,360
today but you can watch the film now and

2194
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:08,400
realize

2195
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:10,320
historically there are some things here

2196
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:12,560
that that need to be adjusted right

2197
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:13,120
because

2198
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:14,880
that's that's what you're up against in

2199
01:26:20,229 --> 01:26:17,679
a in a 10-minute news cycle it's no

2200
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:20,239
longer a 24-hour news cycle

2201
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:22,560
and that's that's what keeps the work

2202
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:24,400
moving and the perpetual motion

2203
01:26:28,950 --> 01:26:26,880
of always moving forward to you know

2204
01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:28,960
tell the story that's now to capture

2205
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:31,040
that single moment that's now the best

2206
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:32,639
you can as a filmmaker

2207
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:34,320
and present it you know through your

2208
01:26:37,189 --> 01:26:35,679
lens through your own

2209
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:37,199
you know interpretations of what you

2210
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:38,960
want to be as an artist you do that and

2211
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:40,480
you move on my

2212
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:43,120
i look forward to that continual journey

2213
01:26:46,709 --> 01:26:43,520
of

2214
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:46,719
you know where the narrative

2215
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:49,280
evolves where the expansion of

2216
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:50,960
consciousness happens to perceive

2217
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:53,120
another different angle or another

2218
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:55,360
you know opportunity or change in the

2219
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:56,400
the storyline

2220
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:58,480
where are we we've got a couple minutes

2221
01:27:03,030 --> 01:26:59,520
before the break

2222
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:03,040
um where are we now with disclosure

2223
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:05,679
i mean we're not where you want us to be

2224
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,400
but where are we as a community

2225
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:10,400
i think that the community has done a

2226
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:11,520
phenomenal

2227
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:14,320
job especially over the last kind of you

2228
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:16,080
know decade here but even

2229
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:18,880
the last half decade of bringing that

2230
01:27:23,110 --> 01:27:20,000
conversation

2231
01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:23,120
out of the woo circles and

2232
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:25,600
into more of the the mainstream there's

2233
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:26,560
a reason that

2234
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:28,480
these channels are being banned right

2235
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:30,480
now it's because the consciousness the

2236
01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:32,560
collective consciousness is now desiring

2237
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:34,159
this type of stuff you know

2238
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:36,080
it's why hollywood is pouring you know

2239
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:37,679
millions of dollars into

2240
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:39,520
you know properties that are you know

2241
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:41,040
interested in these types of

2242
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:43,760
you know topics and and whatnot and so i

2243
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:44,320
think

2244
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:46,000
where we're at now is we're on the

2245
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:47,520
precipice of making some real

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breakthroughs you know collectively

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of really pushing this conversation and

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it's so

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relevant right now to what we're going

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through in this crescendo of

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madness that the whole world is

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experiencing that if we can take that

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01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:03,440
opportunity and channel that madness

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into you know really knowing who we are

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and pulling out all this darkness from

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the shadows the stuff that has been

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hidden the stuff that's been suppressed

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the stuff that's like you guys can't

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01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:14,800
handle this it needs to stay behind the

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scenes

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the the the era of you can't handle it

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01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:20,239
it's done you know we've all been put

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through

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01:28:24,229 --> 01:28:23,920
absolutely like torture in 2020 here and

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01:28:28,229 --> 01:28:24,239
the

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ourselves we've come

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you know very close in all of that but

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ultimately love has won

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ultimately we haven't chose to turn each

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other on each other in the most like

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horrific and

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violent ways and that's what's being

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presented i think in the disclosure

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community right now

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is the ability to like keep pushing

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01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:45,520
forward through that despite the

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different opinions keep looking for the

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truth

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01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:52,080
restructure the world around us

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so it brings us closer together as

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instead of further apart

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do you have another uh ufo et disclosure

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01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:02,320
film in you 100

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01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:05,120
without a doubt working on it all the

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01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:05,600
time

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01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:07,840
just like multiple other projects i'm

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like

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[Laughter]

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do you have something in the works i do

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yeah most definitely

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i do and and this will be something

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01:29:24,310 --> 01:29:21,120
that's um

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01:29:25,189 --> 01:29:24,320
you know it's there's humor is very

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01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:25,199
healing you know

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01:29:28,709 --> 01:29:27,840
humor is very very healing and being

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able to

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look at the most horrific topics through

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a

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comedy you know it's it's the best

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01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:41,760
healing the darkest ways if you can

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01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:43,440
laugh at them that's the most empowering

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you can feel

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and to you know bring joy into the the

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01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:48,480
darkest spaces is

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01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:50,239
is something that i'm fascinated with so

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01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:52,080
that's that's actively kind of

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one of the projects i'm i'm developing

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about uh six or seven years ago

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01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:01,920
i was uh on stage conference

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01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:04,560
i'm cracking jokes you know and i

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thought i was tearing it up

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01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:08,960
and some good some good e.t humor

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01:30:12,790 --> 01:30:10,480
i stepped off the stage and this guy

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01:30:15,030 --> 01:30:12,800
comes up to me man that ain't funny man

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this is not a funny subject you can't

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get up there and crack jokes like that

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man he's lighten up lighten up let's

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01:30:22,470 --> 01:30:21,920
take our break right here let's lighten

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up

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church i guess tonight roger

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richards

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got a lot more to talk about when we

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come back how did he get

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into filmmaking how do you make that

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transition in life

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we'll find out next from roger richards

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welcome back fade to black i am the host

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jimmy church our guest tonight roger

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richards more with rogers

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our guest tonight roger richards now

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roger how do you

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i mean i made the transition you know i

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went

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right

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now i've done film i've done television

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and

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i'm narrating a couple of film projects

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right now

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and uh things are great i know how i did

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it

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you know i i really got into

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editing um background visual collages

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for our live performances you know

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one of the bands i was in um uh it was

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very much into

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kind of multi-media type live

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performances and so

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i got into video editing through the

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desire of like

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wanting to create more of an experience

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for the people that were coming to our

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shows

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and a way to kind of broaden the

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horizons of the music

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01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:40,960
that we were playing in live settings by

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having you know an accompanying

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01:36:46,470 --> 01:36:44,960
visual aesthetic with it and so video

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01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:46,480
editing is where i kind of fell into

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01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:48,080
that and a lot of you know if anybody

2462
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:49,040
looks up my

2463
01:36:53,430 --> 01:36:51,360
early stuff you know this this stuff is

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01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:53,440
like comes from the deep

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01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:56,080
depths of like punk rock and metal

2466
01:37:00,470 --> 01:36:57,760
subculture and it's gonna be

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01:37:02,629 --> 01:37:00,480
full of every kind of like dark nasty

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01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:02,639
imagery that you could possibly have and

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01:37:06,790 --> 01:37:04,960
that was an aesthetic and for me like i

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01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:06,800
connected with those communities

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01:37:16,790 --> 01:37:10,560
um you know from the stand

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01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:19,510
was a representation of that angry dark

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01:37:23,189 --> 01:37:20,159
you know

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01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:23,199
later in life

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01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:25,280
you you know you especially when your

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01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:26,800
father things you know change from that

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01:37:29,669 --> 01:37:27,600
standpoint

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01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:29,679
but that's where it kind of came out of

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01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:32,000
you know

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01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:34,639
that's the most real that's the most

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01:37:37,669 --> 01:37:36,639
real thing that you could possibly say

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the one thing that will

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change you is uh being a parent

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01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:42,719
and that'll snap you straight really

2485
01:37:46,830 --> 01:37:44,320
quick are you suggesting

2486
01:37:48,229 --> 01:37:46,840
were you guys like uh theatrics like the

2487
01:37:50,629 --> 01:37:48,239
plasmatics or

2488
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:50,639
like that similar to that it was very

2489
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:51,840
experimental

2490
01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:54,239
um you know multiple percussion lots of

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01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:54,880
noise

2492
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:57,280
yeah you know lots of screaming vocals

2493
01:38:03,350 --> 01:37:59,040
you know the absolute like torture to

2494
01:38:07,109 --> 01:38:05,669
you know what's really funny um back in

2495
01:38:10,709 --> 01:38:07,119
the 80s when

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01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:10,719
it was all about uh aqua net spandex

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01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:14,480
big hair lights you know dance moves on

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01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:15,199
stage you know

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01:38:19,590 --> 01:38:17,440
everything that was going on back then

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01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:19,600
and i saw the plasmatics

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01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:21,840
and and wendy oh and i happened to catch

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01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:23,440
some late night

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01:38:30,149 --> 01:38:26,719
you know uh cable whatever

2504
01:38:31,189 --> 01:38:30,159
program and i thought man we got to get

2505
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:31,199
chainsaws

2506
01:38:34,550 --> 01:38:33,600
into the show i don't know how we do

2507
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:34,560
that with the big

2508
01:38:40,149 --> 01:38:38,080
hair sunset strip stuff but that is

2509
01:38:42,070 --> 01:38:40,159
really cool there was something about

2510
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:42,080
that type of theatrics

2511
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:45,360
um we could never do it but i really

2512
01:38:48,310 --> 01:38:46,080
wanted to

2513
01:38:50,709 --> 01:38:48,320
i took it to my band i was like dude we

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01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:50,719
got to check out this plasmatics video

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01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:52,960
they thought i had lost my mind i was

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01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:53,760
like man

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01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:56,320
there's a way to do this man i think

2518
01:39:01,669 --> 01:38:58,480
this is really really cool

2519
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:01,679
um but it's difficult to do it is

2520
01:39:05,350 --> 01:39:03,360
yeah but there's you know there are

2521
01:39:06,070 --> 01:39:05,360
great subculture bands that a big part

2522
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:06,080
of their

2523
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:07,840
you know uh experience was the

2524
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:09,280
performance art and that's what i was

2525
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:10,800
obsessed with you know they're great

2526
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:12,719
underground bands like um

2527
01:39:16,709 --> 01:39:14,880
you know crash worship is one of them

2528
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:16,719
that are notorious for their shows they

2529
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:18,080
were out of san diego

2530
01:39:22,149 --> 01:39:20,080
and you know like uh they would do

2531
01:39:24,790 --> 01:39:22,159
things like you know float uh

2532
01:39:26,070 --> 01:39:24,800
crowd surf a big blow-up pool filled

2533
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:26,080
with mud and two women

2534
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:27,760
you know tied at the neck with pantyhose

2535
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:29,600
mun wrestling like these are the types

2536
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:31,280
of things that like you know you create

2537
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:33,199
these experiences in live settings and

2538
01:39:35,990 --> 01:39:34,880
that's what i loved about the subculture

2539
01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:36,000
music scenes

2540
01:39:39,910 --> 01:39:37,760
is that you know you would you'd be

2541
01:39:40,870 --> 01:39:39,920
crammed into like a small venue of 100

2542
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:40,880
200 people

2543
01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:43,360
but you'd be experiencing this unique

2544
01:39:49,669 --> 01:39:43,920
you know

2545
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:49,679
used to play at gilman street

2546
01:39:54,070 --> 01:39:52,480
um in in berkeley there which was like

2547
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:54,080
you know an old school punk rock club

2548
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:55,679
and bands like green day and you know

2549
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:57,600
others were born out of that experience

2550
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:58,480
you know in those

2551
01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:00,960
those clubs cbgb's you know the whole

2552
01:40:04,629 --> 01:40:02,320
idea of these like

2553
01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:04,639
small subculture communities of artists

2554
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:06,560
that are just there to like create a

2555
01:40:08,709 --> 01:40:07,280
scene

2556
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:08,719
you know it's funny because i always

2557
01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:10,960
compare the ufology community in a way

2558
01:40:13,750 --> 01:40:12,000
to that it's like

2559
01:40:15,430 --> 01:40:13,760
you've got all of these like you know

2560
01:40:16,870 --> 01:40:15,440
subcultures you've got these little

2561
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:16,880
venues that pop up

2562
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:19,520
you've got a very diy like attitude to

2563
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:21,520
it so to me it was an easy like

2564
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:22,800
transition into

2565
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:23,920
you know the experience of just

2566
01:40:27,669 --> 01:40:25,840
expressing myself in another community

2567
01:40:29,590 --> 01:40:27,679
that was open to subculture

2568
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:29,600
and you know different conversations no

2569
01:40:33,590 --> 01:40:30,960
you're exactly right

2570
01:40:35,350 --> 01:40:33,600
when you go to a small club like the

2571
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:35,360
i-beam in san francisco

2572
01:40:42,149 --> 01:40:38,880
or or rajes in in hollywood

2573
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:42,159
um on hollywood boulevard and it's just

2574
01:40:45,189 --> 01:40:42,719
a small

2575
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:45,199
crowd it's you know these aren't but it

2576
01:40:59,990 --> 01:40:45,920
was

2577
01:41:01,910 --> 01:41:00,000
and i felt like i arrived right i'm

2578
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:01,920
hanging out with my people they

2579
01:41:07,189 --> 01:41:04,800
get i we understand each other and it's

2580
01:41:10,149 --> 01:41:07,199
the same thing in the ufo community

2581
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:10,159
you go to a a small conference with one

2582
01:41:14,790 --> 01:41:11,360
or two hundred people

2583
01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:14,800
but you belong right you belong

2584
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,960
and and and and you can have that

2585
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:18,480
communication there

2586
01:41:22,310 --> 01:41:20,480
and and where you can't talk about this

2587
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:22,320
with your co-workers right

2588
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:25,199
exactly yeah you go into you know these

2589
01:41:29,109 --> 01:41:26,880
like seedy joints and

2590
01:41:31,109 --> 01:41:29,119
you know that reek of you know sweaty

2591
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:31,119
people and booze and there's mosh pits

2592
01:41:34,790 --> 01:41:32,159
happening and it's just

2593
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:34,800
like that those are amazing experiences

2594
01:41:39,750 --> 01:41:37,199
to be had on such a personal level with

2595
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:39,760
these um you know these counter culture

2596
01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:40,800
communities and

2597
01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:43,280
it is the same like you you walk in you

2598
01:41:59,750 --> 01:41:44,800
feel like you belong because you do

2599
01:42:02,470 --> 01:42:01,030
disclosure community from that

2600
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:02,480
standpoint i mean there's so many

2601
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:03,440
parallels

2602
01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:05,760
um of of what it truly means to build

2603
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:07,600
any kind of grassroots subculture

2604
01:42:13,350 --> 01:42:08,400
community

2605
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:13,360
forever

2606
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:15,760
i think now we're seeing we're on the

2607
01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:18,159
the precipice of a real pop culture

2608
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:18,880
breakthrough

2609
01:42:22,709 --> 01:42:20,719
you know the ramones were completely

2610
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:22,719
unknown playing in their garage in these

2611
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:24,239
small clubs but now you buy their

2612
01:42:28,550 --> 01:42:26,400
t-shirts in walmart and that's

2613
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:28,560
where this conversation is going

2614
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:29,760
subculture

2615
01:42:33,510 --> 01:42:31,679
groups within disclosure community you

2616
01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:33,520
see that reflected in pop because based

2617
01:42:36,629 --> 01:42:34,800
on mk ultra or

2618
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:36,639
you know you you see the pop culture

2619
01:42:39,750 --> 01:42:38,320
breakthrough happening and so

2620
01:42:41,669 --> 01:42:39,760
right now there's a really great

2621
01:42:44,229 --> 01:42:41,679
opportunity for people that

2622
01:42:46,390 --> 01:42:44,239
want to you know help bring this stuff

2623
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:46,400
out into pop culture by getting involved

2624
01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:48,239
in any creative ways possible whether

2625
01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:49,600
it's putting on events

2626
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:50,960
whether it's doing your own films

2627
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:52,320
whether it's making music about this

2628
01:42:55,109 --> 01:42:53,920
stuff whether it's writing books all of

2629
01:42:57,189 --> 01:42:55,119
those things it's like

2630
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:57,199
that's what's bringing this out into pop

2631
01:43:01,750 --> 01:42:59,440
culture you know from that standpoint

2632
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:01,760
it's driven every pop culture you know

2633
01:43:05,669 --> 01:43:02,719
it was built

2634
01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:05,679
in the the the cd rooms and you know

2635
01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:06,320
dark

2636
01:43:10,149 --> 01:43:08,560
deep murky depths of subculture

2637
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:10,159
somewhere you know that's the natural

2638
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:10,960
evolution

2639
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:13,360
well that's exactly it and i don't think

2640
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:14,880
anybody would have thought

2641
01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:17,760
that uh warner brothers records or

2642
01:43:23,430 --> 01:43:20,080
elektra or atlantic

2643
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:23,440
you know these companies would

2644
01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:26,560
would fall away the indie record

2645
01:43:32,149 --> 01:43:27,119
movement

2646
01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:32,159
that and certainly the internet came

2647
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:32,960
along

2648
01:43:36,950 --> 01:43:35,280
and took it down nearly completely to

2649
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:36,960
where we are today

2650
01:43:42,149 --> 01:43:39,600
is it possible with the subculture of

2651
01:43:46,149 --> 01:43:42,159
the ufo community in the conspiracy

2652
01:43:49,510 --> 01:43:46,159
community to take down a be a moth like

2653
01:43:52,470 --> 01:43:49,520
youtube yes i think that

2654
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:52,480
without a doubt not just take them down

2655
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:55,199
but be pioneers for the next wave of

2656
01:44:00,070 --> 01:43:57,760
you know those pop culture phenomenons

2657
01:44:01,109 --> 01:44:00,080
that everyone is obsessed with and is

2658
01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:01,119
involved in

2659
01:44:05,910 --> 01:44:03,920
and i mean i i specifically feel that

2660
01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:05,920
that group out of any group has the

2661
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:07,360
ability to take on

2662
01:44:10,870 --> 01:44:09,600
you know these behemoths right now and

2663
01:44:13,830 --> 01:44:10,880
it's based off of

2664
01:44:15,750 --> 01:44:13,840
like we've got the desire that itch that

2665
01:44:17,830 --> 01:44:15,760
everyone wants to scratch

2666
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:17,840
whether it's a guilty pleasure or not

2667
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,960
everybody's

2668
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:20,400
wanting to look at those videos

2669
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:21,840
everybody's wanting to go down the

2670
01:44:24,629 --> 01:44:22,719
rabbit hole

2671
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:24,639
everybody finds themselves you know

2672
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:27,280
covered in fig newtons at 4am with an

2673
01:44:31,270 --> 01:44:29,440
alarm set three hours later looking at

2674
01:44:34,149 --> 01:44:31,280
you know celebrity clone videos like

2675
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:34,159
wait a minute what's going on

2676
01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:36,480
you know like that whole experience

2677
01:44:38,390 --> 01:44:38,080
people are obsessed with because it's

2678
01:44:40,390 --> 01:44:38,400
it's

2679
01:44:42,310 --> 01:44:40,400
interesting you know from the standpoint

2680
01:44:42,870 --> 01:44:42,320
of the possibilities that could be out

2681
01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:42,880
there

2682
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:45,040
and those things those interests those

2683
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:46,719
are never going to die they're only

2684
01:44:49,669 --> 01:44:48,000
going to kind of flourish

2685
01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:49,679
more and so i i do think that this

2686
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:51,280
community specifically

2687
01:44:55,109 --> 01:44:53,760
has what it takes to you know create an

2688
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:55,119
experience that's out

2689
01:44:58,629 --> 01:44:56,960
of the experience that's been given to

2690
01:45:00,310 --> 01:44:58,639
us you know they want to ban us great

2691
01:45:04,070 --> 01:45:00,320
we'll create a new place for us

2692
01:45:05,189 --> 01:45:04,080
is it going to take uh some government

2693
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:05,199
intervention

2694
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:08,320
and the breakup of say google and

2695
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:10,880
and youtube and facebook if if it's

2696
01:45:14,390 --> 01:45:12,400
indeed possible

2697
01:45:17,270 --> 01:45:14,400
they may be too big to break up at this

2698
01:45:18,149 --> 01:45:17,280
point but is that something that has to

2699
01:45:21,430 --> 01:45:18,159
come into play

2700
01:45:24,070 --> 01:45:21,440
so there is some competition to youtube

2701
01:45:26,470 --> 01:45:24,080
so there is competition to facebook so

2702
01:45:28,550 --> 01:45:26,480
there is competition to google

2703
01:45:30,229 --> 01:45:28,560
of which right now there is not that is

2704
01:45:33,189 --> 01:45:30,239
90 of the entire

2705
01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:33,199
world that is on the internet uses one

2706
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:34,400
of those three

2707
01:45:40,310 --> 01:45:38,800
platforms sometimes at the same time

2708
01:45:42,229 --> 01:45:40,320
i think it's going to be a combination

2709
01:45:43,830 --> 01:45:42,239
of both obviously government regulations

2710
01:45:45,990 --> 01:45:43,840
and repealing things like 230 and

2711
01:45:48,149 --> 01:45:46,000
others that have protected these you

2712
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:48,159
know people from lawsuits and you know

2713
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:50,639
giving them the uh the protection of

2714
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:51,440
being you know

2715
01:45:56,149 --> 01:45:54,639
uh in the middle or

2716
01:45:57,990 --> 01:45:56,159
you know however they essentially want

2717
01:46:00,629 --> 01:45:58,000
to put it but at this point

2718
01:46:02,550 --> 01:46:00,639
that's gone too far past that and now

2719
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:02,560
they're taking opinions and they're

2720
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:04,320
you know they're acting as publishers

2721
01:46:07,350 --> 01:46:06,080
and so the other flip side of that is it

2722
01:46:09,030 --> 01:46:07,360
comes from the community

2723
01:46:10,470 --> 01:46:09,040
with lawsuits you know there are people

2724
01:46:14,070 --> 01:46:10,480
that have real

2725
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:14,080
like you know uh free speech perspective

2726
01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:17,280
uh like uh what i'm dropped the term

2727
01:46:19,590 --> 01:46:18,000
right now

2728
01:46:21,109 --> 01:46:19,600
uh when everybody gets together for a

2729
01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:21,119
lawsuit it's called class action

2730
01:46:24,870 --> 01:46:23,360
lawsuits the class action lawsuits

2731
01:46:26,550 --> 01:46:24,880
from all of the people that have been

2732
01:46:28,950 --> 01:46:26,560
affected by the censorship

2733
01:46:30,470 --> 01:46:28,960
will ultimately believe what i believe

2734
01:46:32,950 --> 01:46:30,480
delivers the death blow

2735
01:46:34,950 --> 01:46:32,960
the the governments may just be there to

2736
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:34,960
you know offer up the next best solution

2737
01:46:38,790 --> 01:46:37,040
from the standpoint of you know bringing

2738
01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:38,800
these types of platforms as public

2739
01:46:40,870 --> 01:46:39,520
utilities

2740
01:46:42,070 --> 01:46:40,880
but then the flip side of that is

2741
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:42,080
they've got to deal with the american

2742
01:46:46,229 --> 01:46:44,159
public and the broader global public not

2743
01:46:48,229 --> 01:46:46,239
trusting you know the government so how

2744
01:46:49,030 --> 01:46:48,239
do they do that uh do they put it in the

2745
01:46:50,470 --> 01:46:49,040
hands of

2746
01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:50,480
the military you know from that

2747
01:46:54,709 --> 01:46:52,800
standpoint i mean how does that

2748
01:46:55,910 --> 01:46:54,719
how are we guarantee protection from

2749
01:46:58,070 --> 01:46:55,920
that information

2750
01:47:00,149 --> 01:46:58,080
but coming back to it i do believe that

2751
01:47:01,830 --> 01:47:00,159
the people have the strongest blow to

2752
01:47:05,189 --> 01:47:01,840
offer through class action lawsuits

2753
01:47:09,669 --> 01:47:05,199
well and then uh there is

2754
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:09,679
a a genuine flip side to that which is

2755
01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:12,000
anybody that has a private company

2756
01:47:15,830 --> 01:47:13,360
should be entitled to

2757
01:47:17,189 --> 01:47:15,840
do with that whatever they want and

2758
01:47:20,229 --> 01:47:17,199
that's the foundation

2759
01:47:24,310 --> 01:47:20,239
of america and the capitalistic uh

2760
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:24,320
uh economy so no

2761
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:26,480
right that that that's wrong you can't

2762
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:27,679
tell me

2763
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:29,920
you know for instance uh you're you're a

2764
01:47:34,070 --> 01:47:31,280
guest on my show tonight

2765
01:47:34,870 --> 01:47:34,080
right what if i didn't want you on the

2766
01:47:37,990 --> 01:47:34,880
show

2767
01:47:40,149 --> 01:47:38,000
and then you sue me because you

2768
01:47:41,350 --> 01:47:40,159
want the freedom of speech of coming on

2769
01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:41,360
fade to black

2770
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:44,400
and you force yourself upon

2771
01:47:49,669 --> 01:47:47,840
me that that's where where where do we

2772
01:47:52,229 --> 01:47:49,679
draw the line here

2773
01:47:54,390 --> 01:47:52,239
i think that it's in the nuances of

2774
01:47:56,950 --> 01:47:54,400
understanding terms of services

2775
01:47:58,950 --> 01:47:56,960
that you signed up for and where in your

2776
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:58,960
specific case those terms of services

2777
01:48:02,149 --> 01:47:59,920
were violated

2778
01:48:04,070 --> 01:48:02,159
because yes it's one thing to create

2779
01:48:06,070 --> 01:48:04,080
something and own it and it's my space

2780
01:48:07,350 --> 01:48:06,080
you don't want to do your thing you know

2781
01:48:08,390 --> 01:48:07,360
you don't want to do my thing here then

2782
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:08,400
you got to get out

2783
01:48:12,709 --> 01:48:10,480
but in the same way selling people in an

2784
01:48:14,709 --> 01:48:12,719
agreement from the terms of service

2785
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:14,719
and then not offering them that

2786
01:48:19,910 --> 01:48:16,159
experience or then

2787
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:19,920
adjusting those things post censorship

2788
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:22,480
these are the the nuances that can be

2789
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:23,040
picked up

2790
01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:25,040
and refined through these class action

2791
01:48:28,629 --> 01:48:26,560
lawsuit lawsuits

2792
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:28,639
that will show that these companies are

2793
01:48:32,310 --> 01:48:30,880
guilty of necessarily doing that of

2794
01:48:35,270 --> 01:48:32,320
offering experiences

2795
01:48:35,830 --> 01:48:35,280
that were then later you know changed uh

2796
01:48:37,270 --> 01:48:35,840
you know

2797
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:37,280
through their terms of service

2798
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:39,199
adjustments but in the meantime before

2799
01:48:41,990 --> 01:48:40,480
those adjustments happened there were

2800
01:48:43,189 --> 01:48:42,000
things that were happening beforehand so

2801
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:43,199
it really comes down to the micro

2802
01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:44,000
specifics

2803
01:48:47,430 --> 01:48:46,080
it really comes down to the people

2804
01:48:48,950 --> 01:48:47,440
researching and looking at their own

2805
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:48,960
case what were they offered through that

2806
01:48:51,990 --> 01:48:50,000
terms of service

2807
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:52,000
at the original time of these videos

2808
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:53,920
being posted or being censored

2809
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:56,400
and when you get out into those nuances

2810
01:49:00,310 --> 01:48:58,960
that's where a class action lawsuit

2811
01:49:01,910 --> 01:49:00,320
could be ferreted out they could

2812
01:49:03,510 --> 01:49:01,920
actually have some you know serious

2813
01:49:06,709 --> 01:49:03,520
teeth to it

2814
01:49:08,709 --> 01:49:06,719
then the other argument always playing

2815
01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:08,719
devil's advocate here

2816
01:49:15,109 --> 01:49:11,920
where uh the owners of these platforms

2817
01:49:17,830 --> 01:49:15,119
are gonna say hey it's free

2818
01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:17,840
you volunteered for it we owe you

2819
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:19,440
nothing

2820
01:49:23,589 --> 01:49:21,280
right and that that that's a pretty

2821
01:49:25,589 --> 01:49:23,599
strong argument in court

2822
01:49:27,589 --> 01:49:25,599
well it's also a strong argument that it

2823
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:27,599
wasn't free what did it cost us it cost

2824
01:49:30,229 --> 01:49:28,080
us our

2825
01:49:31,189 --> 01:49:30,239
information and how much did that

2826
01:49:33,270 --> 01:49:31,199
provide you

2827
01:49:34,629 --> 01:49:33,280
in that process there and so i think

2828
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:34,639
it's a learning experience for the

2829
01:49:37,270 --> 01:49:36,880
american public and global public abroad

2830
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:37,280
about

2831
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:39,280
turning over your information to these

2832
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:41,040
because this is how they survive

2833
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:43,360
they survive off of those analytics they

2834
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:45,840
survive off of calculating the odds

2835
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:48,480
against you as to what you're going to

2836
01:49:53,270 --> 01:49:50,719
buy and so when you understand that

2837
01:49:54,790 --> 01:49:53,280
and you get that that again comes back

2838
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:54,800
into personal accountability do you want

2839
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:56,639
to participate in those platforms or do

2840
01:49:59,430 --> 01:49:58,000
you want to participate maybe some of

2841
01:50:01,030 --> 01:49:59,440
these alternative ones that are

2842
01:50:02,870 --> 01:50:01,040
popping up now going hey we're not going

2843
01:50:03,350 --> 01:50:02,880
to sell your information you know that

2844
01:50:05,350 --> 01:50:03,360
it's

2845
01:50:07,189 --> 01:50:05,360
it really comes down to being educated

2846
01:50:08,709 --> 01:50:07,199
but also holding accountability of the

2847
01:50:11,910 --> 01:50:08,719
service that's being offered

2848
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:11,920
do we uh do we assume today

2849
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:15,119
and i mean everybody that google is

2850
01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:15,920
listening

2851
01:50:22,629 --> 01:50:20,800
what to your private conversations

2852
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:22,639
are we assuming that let me give you an

2853
01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:24,480
example i assume it

2854
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:27,199
by the way i just assume it last night i

2855
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:28,560
had a private conversation

2856
01:50:35,430 --> 01:50:32,400
on the phone uh with a a tv producer

2857
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:35,440
okay here in hollywood um

2858
01:50:42,390 --> 01:50:39,280
um and in that conversation i discussed

2859
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:42,400
uh something that i haven't clicked on

2860
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:46,480
which is digital slr cameras

2861
01:50:49,750 --> 01:50:48,719
okay and i explained to this producer

2862
01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:49,760
yeah i've got two

2863
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:51,520
we can synchronize we can do this we can

2864
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:53,760
do the hdmi you can switch from your

2865
01:50:56,709 --> 01:50:54,639
studio

2866
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:56,719
you know and i had this conversation

2867
01:51:01,669 --> 01:50:57,840
today

2868
01:51:04,709 --> 01:51:01,679
my facebook feed is full of nikon

2869
01:51:07,510 --> 01:51:04,719
dslr ads right

2870
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:07,520
that's real dude that's the beast right

2871
01:51:10,870 --> 01:51:08,639
and i'm just like

2872
01:51:12,629 --> 01:51:10,880
and and i mentioned it to rita today and

2873
01:51:13,589 --> 01:51:12,639
she goes come on you're acting surprised

2874
01:51:17,270 --> 01:51:13,599
i said i'm not

2875
01:51:19,189 --> 01:51:17,280
no i'm just saying this is the evidence

2876
01:51:20,310 --> 01:51:19,199
right i mean i haven't clicked i knew it

2877
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:20,320
was specific too

2878
01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:23,760
i've got two nikon matching dslrs

2879
01:51:27,270 --> 01:51:25,360
we can do this and this and these are

2880
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:27,280
the uh you know the

2881
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:29,040
these are what they can do this is what

2882
01:51:34,870 --> 01:51:31,360
they can't do but we can make this work

2883
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:34,880
and i've got nikon dslr ads

2884
01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:38,400
flooding my facebook page now come on

2885
01:51:42,070 --> 01:51:40,239
and what's even worse is when you don't

2886
01:51:43,750 --> 01:51:42,080
actually talk on the phone but that the

2887
01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:43,760
phone is just in the proximity of the

2888
01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:45,280
room and then an ad comes up and you're

2889
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:46,639
like i never actually said that on the

2890
01:51:49,510 --> 01:51:47,199
phone

2891
01:51:50,470 --> 01:51:49,520
and so these are the examples you know

2892
01:51:52,390 --> 01:51:50,480
people can

2893
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:52,400
say you know can put their head in this

2894
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:54,000
animal they want and be like you know if

2895
01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:55,520
you're not doing anything wrong then you

2896
01:51:57,750 --> 01:51:56,080
know

2897
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:57,760
then you're not doing anything wrong you

2898
01:52:00,390 --> 01:51:58,960
shouldn't have anything to be afraid of

2899
01:52:01,910 --> 01:52:00,400
but in the same way you could look at

2900
01:52:02,550 --> 01:52:01,920
people like bill binney who have come

2901
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:02,560
forward

2902
01:52:05,430 --> 01:52:03,840
and have talked about you know edward

2903
01:52:06,629 --> 01:52:05,440
snowden have talked about the data

2904
01:52:07,350 --> 01:52:06,639
collection that's happening through the

2905
01:52:08,870 --> 01:52:07,360
nsa

2906
01:52:10,870 --> 01:52:08,880
with this stuff through programs like

2907
01:52:13,990 --> 01:52:10,880
stellar wind you know

2908
01:52:15,910 --> 01:52:14,000
uh uh key score these these programs

2909
01:52:18,310 --> 01:52:15,920
that are public that you can research

2910
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,320
will show you that this information is

2911
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:20,400
all being funneled you know what you

2912
01:52:24,310 --> 01:52:22,080
like who your friend circles

2913
01:52:26,149 --> 01:52:24,320
are the food that you ate there your you

2914
01:52:27,990 --> 01:52:26,159
know what you buy on your credit card

2915
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:28,000
you know your habits your website

2916
01:52:32,310 --> 01:52:30,000
searches you know how long you

2917
01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:32,320
like things do you react you love them

2918
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:33,599
do you just like them do you

2919
01:52:36,870 --> 01:52:36,000
not like them all of this information

2920
01:52:39,589 --> 01:52:36,880
compiles a

2921
01:52:40,390 --> 01:52:39,599
very very specific personality profile

2922
01:52:43,430 --> 01:52:40,400
on you to

2923
01:52:45,750 --> 01:52:43,440
a marketing agency but it can also

2924
01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:45,760
be used in other manners and when it

2925
01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:47,920
starts serving you back this experience

2926
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:49,840
experience and especially in the world

2927
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:51,360
the modern world of ai

2928
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:53,760
and where we're going into basically you

2929
01:52:56,709 --> 01:52:55,840
know the branding marketing world turned

2930
01:52:58,149 --> 01:52:56,719
over to ai

2931
01:53:00,149 --> 01:52:58,159
if there was ever a chance for an

2932
01:53:02,310 --> 01:53:00,159
antichrist to be born that would be

2933
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:02,320
it in my opinion you know in that

2934
01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:03,599
combination of things

2935
01:53:06,950 --> 01:53:05,360
but those are the things that you have

2936
01:53:09,270 --> 01:53:06,960
to be aware of right now with those

2937
01:53:12,310 --> 01:53:09,280
terms of service when you sign over yeah

2938
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:12,320
oh it's free it's not so free and

2939
01:53:16,149 --> 01:53:14,400
really the protection of your digital

2940
01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:16,159
self and the digital world

2941
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:18,239
in this world of ai in this world of

2942
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:19,920
deja data harvesting

2943
01:53:23,910 --> 01:53:21,840
that really needs to be brought to the

2944
01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:23,920
table from a discussion around an

2945
01:53:26,950 --> 01:53:25,440
internet bill of rights where are you

2946
01:53:29,510 --> 01:53:26,960
protected as an individual

2947
01:53:31,030 --> 01:53:29,520
what what are you consenting to by you

2948
01:53:32,629 --> 01:53:31,040
know clicking that terms of service

2949
01:53:33,830 --> 01:53:32,639
agreement those are all conversations

2950
01:53:36,070 --> 01:53:33,840
that are valuable i think

2951
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:36,080
moving forward how do we overcome that

2952
01:53:40,070 --> 01:53:36,960
when

2953
01:53:43,510 --> 01:53:40,080
we we know that

2954
01:53:45,510 --> 01:53:43,520
facebook google youtube and possibly

2955
01:53:48,790 --> 01:53:45,520
twitter is in this conversation

2956
01:53:49,510 --> 01:53:48,800
are powerful than any country they don't

2957
01:53:52,950 --> 01:53:49,520
they don't

2958
01:53:54,709 --> 01:53:52,960
care about courts they can outlast a

2959
01:53:55,669 --> 01:53:54,719
court case they don't care about

2960
01:53:58,870 --> 01:53:55,679
countries they can

2961
01:54:01,510 --> 01:53:58,880
outlast heads of state

2962
01:54:01,910 --> 01:54:01,520
and i think we've been shown that so how

2963
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:01,920
how

2964
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:06,000
direct action they

2965
01:54:09,109 --> 01:54:07,199
they're not going to survive when

2966
01:54:11,270 --> 01:54:09,119
there's a mass exodus you know those

2967
01:54:13,990 --> 01:54:11,280
people live and feed off of you

2968
01:54:15,750 --> 01:54:14,000
they they live and breathe feeding off

2969
01:54:18,070 --> 01:54:15,760
of you and your information

2970
01:54:20,229 --> 01:54:18,080
and your interaction every day and all

2971
01:54:21,189 --> 01:54:20,239
it's doing right now with the exposure

2972
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:21,199
of this stuff

2973
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:23,280
and um you know the censorship that's

2974
01:54:26,229 --> 01:54:24,960
going on all it's doing is breathing

2975
01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:26,239
life into

2976
01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:27,760
creative people that want to find

2977
01:54:31,030 --> 01:54:29,679
solutions to not be censored and to be

2978
01:54:31,750 --> 01:54:31,040
able to talk about the things that they

2979
01:54:34,229 --> 01:54:31,760
want to do

2980
01:54:36,550 --> 01:54:34,239
there will always be movements that come

2981
01:54:38,270 --> 01:54:36,560
out of oppression and where it's your

2982
01:54:39,589 --> 01:54:38,280
choice whether to be a part of those

2983
01:54:41,589 --> 01:54:39,599
conversations

2984
01:54:43,270 --> 01:54:41,599
or to you know omit yourself from those

2985
01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:43,280
conversations but right now

2986
01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:45,280
that's that's one of the major ones to

2987
01:54:48,790 --> 01:54:47,119
be having and to really look at

2988
01:54:50,870 --> 01:54:48,800
you know the platforms that are popping

2989
01:54:52,550 --> 01:54:50,880
up you know in their stay

2990
01:54:54,149 --> 01:54:52,560
in these mass exoduses that are

2991
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:54,159
happening and you know

2992
01:54:57,750 --> 01:54:55,920
using the opportunity to educate

2993
01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:57,760
yourself and making sure

2994
01:55:02,070 --> 01:54:59,840
that if you want to get involved from a

2995
01:55:04,470 --> 01:55:02,080
direct action standpoint and change the

2996
01:55:06,310 --> 01:55:04,480
the world and you know have an opinion

2997
01:55:08,709 --> 01:55:06,320
about injustices that are happening

2998
01:55:10,390 --> 01:55:08,719
with any topic you got to get involved

2999
01:55:11,990 --> 01:55:10,400
and you got to be in there and and right

3000
01:55:14,390 --> 01:55:12,000
now the conversation

3001
01:55:15,669 --> 01:55:14,400
the information is the war you know it's

3002
01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:15,679
it's not about uh

3003
01:55:19,189 --> 01:55:17,040
you know blockading yourself at

3004
01:55:20,709 --> 01:55:19,199
twitter's door it's about organizing

3005
01:55:22,709 --> 01:55:20,719
everybody to balance twitter

3006
01:55:24,790 --> 01:55:22,719
and you know create a new experience you

3007
01:55:27,189 --> 01:55:24,800
know somewhere else outside of those

3008
01:55:29,270 --> 01:55:27,199
you know just draconian old school you

3009
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:29,280
know i built this it's mine i own you

3010
01:55:31,669 --> 01:55:29,920
type of

3011
01:55:33,669 --> 01:55:31,679
thought processes it's a it's a mirror

3012
01:55:36,629 --> 01:55:33,679
for where we're all going collectively

3013
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:36,639
this whole paradigm is shifting in ways

3014
01:55:38,790 --> 01:55:37,360
that um

3015
01:55:40,390 --> 01:55:38,800
you know we've never seen before and

3016
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:40,400
that's a big part of what's going on in

3017
01:55:43,430 --> 01:55:40,960
my opinion

3018
01:55:45,270 --> 01:55:43,440
two quick questions uh before the break

3019
01:55:48,310 --> 01:55:45,280
um

3020
01:55:51,589 --> 01:55:48,320
the life of an activist is a tough one

3021
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:51,599
that's a that's that's about as hard of

3022
01:55:58,390 --> 01:55:54,639
of of a life as as you can have um

3023
01:56:02,149 --> 01:55:58,400
you have to have conviction but

3024
01:56:06,629 --> 01:56:02,159
should julian assange be pardoned

3025
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:06,639
conversation i think that goes down to

3026
01:56:11,030 --> 01:56:08,560
the very specifics of

3027
01:56:13,350 --> 01:56:11,040
what he revealed and the legalities

3028
01:56:17,669 --> 01:56:13,360
around those things at the time

3029
01:56:20,870 --> 01:56:17,679
you know he's the true definition of an

3030
01:56:23,030 --> 01:56:20,880
activist yeah he is from the standpoint

3031
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:23,040
of you know what he's tried to pride

3032
01:56:25,990 --> 01:56:24,159
himself on

3033
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:26,000
is that he's never published false

3034
01:56:29,589 --> 01:56:28,080
information that they have uh

3035
01:56:31,669 --> 01:56:29,599
and they've never revealed their sources

3036
01:56:32,149 --> 01:56:31,679
those are the two kind of foundations of

3037
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:32,159
where

3038
01:56:35,990 --> 01:56:34,400
he exists in and honestly a person

3039
01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:36,000
that's offering what he's offering

3040
01:56:39,589 --> 01:56:38,320
couldn't do that without those ethos is

3041
01:56:41,109 --> 01:56:39,599
being embedded there you're not

3042
01:56:42,870 --> 01:56:41,119
revealing your sources

3043
01:56:45,109 --> 01:56:42,880
and um you know verifying the

3044
01:56:47,589 --> 01:56:45,119
information that's there so i think that

3045
01:56:49,430 --> 01:56:47,599
what he is is an incredible archetype to

3046
01:56:50,070 --> 01:56:49,440
the broader consciousness of how do we

3047
01:56:52,229 --> 01:56:50,080
deal

3048
01:56:54,629 --> 01:56:52,239
with these things that are going on

3049
01:56:56,390 --> 01:56:54,639
behind doors what kind of transparency

3050
01:56:58,709 --> 01:56:56,400
do we actually need to have

3051
01:56:59,510 --> 01:56:58,719
it's one thing to call national security

3052
01:57:01,510 --> 01:56:59,520
you know on

3053
01:57:02,870 --> 01:57:01,520
you know something that is uh

3054
01:57:04,950 --> 01:57:02,880
detrimental to

3055
01:57:06,149 --> 01:57:04,960
you know the nuclear codes or you know

3056
01:57:08,070 --> 01:57:06,159
to the extent of that

3057
01:57:09,510 --> 01:57:08,080
but another to call national security on

3058
01:57:12,629 --> 01:57:09,520
a lot of this like you know

3059
01:57:14,550 --> 01:57:12,639
ridiculous stuff that that allows these

3060
01:57:16,149 --> 01:57:14,560
intelligence agencies to be corrupt that

3061
01:57:17,750 --> 01:57:16,159
allows government organizations

3062
01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:17,760
to be corrupt all of that needs to be

3063
01:57:21,270 --> 01:57:18,880
blown and there needs to be more

3064
01:57:24,629 --> 01:57:21,280
transparency so

3065
01:57:25,270 --> 01:57:24,639
should he be pardoned should he be

3066
01:57:28,709 --> 01:57:25,280
pardoned

3067
01:57:30,870 --> 01:57:28,719
uh i think that that's

3068
01:57:32,470 --> 01:57:30,880
it's hard for me to give a perspective

3069
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:32,480
around should he be pardoned because the

3070
01:57:35,910 --> 01:57:34,080
government systems that exist now are

3071
01:57:39,109 --> 01:57:35,920
not ones that i really believe

3072
01:57:41,669 --> 01:57:39,119
in so i will say that he should not

3073
01:57:43,030 --> 01:57:41,679
be imprisoned for what he's doing and

3074
01:57:45,030 --> 01:57:43,040
what has done

3075
01:57:46,229 --> 01:57:45,040
pardoned is a different uh you know

3076
01:57:49,189 --> 01:57:46,239
perspective on that but i

3077
01:57:50,950 --> 01:57:49,199
i i would say he's a hero over a villain

3078
01:57:51,189 --> 01:57:50,960
in the greater human story that we're

3079
01:57:53,830 --> 01:57:51,199
all

3080
01:57:55,750 --> 01:57:53,840
experiencing spoken like a politician

3081
01:57:58,629 --> 01:57:55,760
running for office

3082
01:57:59,589 --> 01:57:58,639
should edward snowden be pardoned it's

3083
01:58:03,350 --> 01:57:59,599
the same thing

3084
01:58:05,990 --> 01:58:03,360
he broke the law

3085
01:58:08,229 --> 01:58:06,000
he didn't but he's also a true

3086
01:58:09,510 --> 01:58:08,239
whistleblower and what he revealed to

3087
01:58:12,070 --> 01:58:09,520
the public

3088
01:58:13,189 --> 01:58:12,080
was probably one of the biggest reveals

3089
01:58:15,910 --> 01:58:13,199
in the history of of

3090
01:58:17,669 --> 01:58:15,920
everything of all that there is yeah x

3091
01:58:18,310 --> 01:58:17,679
key score and what came out with that

3092
01:58:20,950 --> 01:58:18,320
was the

3093
01:58:22,950 --> 01:58:20,960
the the tip of the iceberg and really

3094
01:58:23,350 --> 01:58:22,960
understanding this data collection stuff

3095
01:58:26,470 --> 01:58:23,360
and

3096
01:58:28,870 --> 01:58:26,480
you know people like um you know snowden

3097
01:58:30,870 --> 01:58:28,880
julian assange you know these these

3098
01:58:32,870 --> 01:58:30,880
people are the ones bill benny

3099
01:58:34,870 --> 01:58:32,880
uh you know these are the ones that are

3100
01:58:36,870 --> 01:58:34,880
going out there you know chelsea manning

3101
01:58:39,189 --> 01:58:36,880
that are putting their lives on the line

3102
01:58:41,589 --> 01:58:39,199
for the standpoint of sharing this truth

3103
01:58:43,270 --> 01:58:41,599
you know publicly as a responsibility

3104
01:58:46,470 --> 01:58:43,280
that they feel to humanity

3105
01:58:49,669 --> 01:58:46,480
not to a country necessarily not to

3106
01:58:51,910 --> 01:58:49,679
you know a specific race or gender or

3107
01:58:53,510 --> 01:58:51,920
political group even it's it's it's the

3108
01:58:55,270 --> 01:58:53,520
weight of what it means to be human when

3109
01:58:56,709 --> 01:58:55,280
you witness oh my god there's something

3110
01:58:57,669 --> 01:58:56,719
that is detrimental to all of us

3111
01:58:59,350 --> 01:58:57,679
happening here

3112
01:59:01,750 --> 01:58:59,360
this is wrong this is absolutely

3113
01:59:04,550 --> 01:59:01,760
inherently wrong and so when you have

3114
01:59:05,830 --> 01:59:04,560
people bubble up out of the you know the

3115
01:59:08,790 --> 01:59:05,840
experiences that

3116
01:59:10,950 --> 01:59:08,800
take the bravery and and run with it and

3117
01:59:12,629 --> 01:59:10,960
do things like this and blow the whistle

3118
01:59:14,390 --> 01:59:12,639
i think they need to be lifted up you

3119
01:59:16,709 --> 01:59:14,400
know i think they need to be praised for

3120
01:59:18,470 --> 01:59:16,719
their bravery and their sacrifices

3121
01:59:19,750 --> 01:59:18,480
and you know being a political prisoner

3122
01:59:21,830 --> 01:59:19,760
is like no joke you know

3123
01:59:23,350 --> 01:59:21,840
it's it's a commitment to lifelong you

3124
01:59:26,070 --> 01:59:23,360
know persecution

3125
01:59:27,589 --> 01:59:26,080
yeah you know i've often said that if i

3126
01:59:31,109 --> 01:59:27,599
was in possession of

3127
01:59:33,430 --> 01:59:31,119
the the ufo video right

3128
01:59:35,189 --> 01:59:33,440
and i had it and it was leaked to me i

3129
01:59:39,270 --> 01:59:35,199
go public with it

3130
01:59:45,669 --> 01:59:39,280
but snowden if i was i

3131
01:59:49,589 --> 01:59:48,229
that i don't even understand and maybe

3132
01:59:51,350 --> 01:59:49,599
it's more than that and that's one of

3133
01:59:52,629 --> 01:59:51,360
the things that when you really get into

3134
01:59:54,790 --> 01:59:52,639
the intricacies of how these

3135
01:59:56,390 --> 01:59:54,800
intelligence operations work and these

3136
01:59:58,229 --> 01:59:56,400
intelligence

3137
01:59:59,750 --> 01:59:58,239
you know communities work against the

3138
02:00:01,990 --> 01:59:59,760
publics and

3139
02:00:04,310 --> 02:00:02,000
you know it's you really start to look

3140
02:00:05,270 --> 02:00:04,320
deeper and understand well who's really

3141
02:00:07,350 --> 02:00:05,280
pulling the string

3142
02:00:09,189 --> 02:00:07,360
of who you know whose agenda is being

3143
02:00:10,550 --> 02:00:09,199
run here you know in all of this and

3144
02:00:11,750 --> 02:00:10,560
that's a big part of the citizen

3145
02:00:13,270 --> 02:00:11,760
journalist movement

3146
02:00:15,030 --> 02:00:13,280
and what's happening right now where

3147
02:00:16,550 --> 02:00:15,040
people start digging they start

3148
02:00:17,910 --> 02:00:16,560
collecting the evidence and they put it

3149
02:00:19,589 --> 02:00:17,920
together collectively

3150
02:00:21,589 --> 02:00:19,599
and it's not about sharing memes of

3151
02:00:23,430 --> 02:00:21,599
unsubstantiated information that is the

3152
02:00:25,030 --> 02:00:23,440
wildest rabbit hole conspiracy

3153
02:00:27,189 --> 02:00:25,040
it's about really kind of like getting

3154
02:00:29,350 --> 02:00:27,199
in there and digging out that stuff

3155
02:00:30,629 --> 02:00:29,360
and sharing that information you can

3156
02:00:33,430 --> 02:00:30,639
daydream and

3157
02:00:33,910 --> 02:00:33,440
you know ponder all the the rabbit hole

3158
02:00:35,750 --> 02:00:33,920
stuff

3159
02:00:37,750 --> 02:00:35,760
and share it from that perspective in my

3160
02:00:39,910 --> 02:00:37,760
opinion but when you don't do

3161
02:00:40,790 --> 02:00:39,920
kind of the due diligence of you know

3162
02:00:42,550 --> 02:00:40,800
getting in there

3163
02:00:44,950 --> 02:00:42,560
and for yourself understanding the

3164
02:00:46,950 --> 02:00:44,960
tangibles versus what's possible

3165
02:00:48,709 --> 02:00:46,960
and pondering that's where things start

3166
02:00:50,950 --> 02:00:48,719
falling apart and those people

3167
02:00:52,310 --> 02:00:50,960
have brought forth tangible information

3168
02:00:55,189 --> 02:00:52,320
that really really show

3169
02:00:56,790 --> 02:00:55,199
you know horrific injustices against the

3170
02:00:59,189 --> 02:00:56,800
global population

3171
02:01:00,550 --> 02:00:59,199
by governments you know across the world

3172
02:01:00,950 --> 02:01:00,560
and how they've connected with each

3173
02:01:02,950 --> 02:01:00,960
other

3174
02:01:04,390 --> 02:01:02,960
stay right there richard perfect spot to

3175
02:01:06,149 --> 02:01:04,400
take a break we will

3176
02:01:08,149 --> 02:01:06,159
we will continue this conversation when

3177
02:01:09,270 --> 02:01:08,159
we come back our guest tonight roger

3178
02:01:12,709 --> 02:01:09,280
richards

3179
02:01:14,070 --> 02:01:12,719
activist filmmaker at large

3180
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i'm your host jimmy church we'll be

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right back stay with us

3182
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02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:44,880
on the game changer radio network

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and kgra the global radio alliance

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02:05:11,350 --> 02:05:08,149
[Music]

3254
02:05:12,790 --> 02:05:11,360
i had to fumble welcome back i had to

3255
02:05:14,870 --> 02:05:12,800
fumble for the headphones rita just

3256
02:05:17,270 --> 02:05:14,880
walked in the studio said great show

3257
02:05:18,390 --> 02:05:17,280
best show ever and then she said i'm

3258
02:05:22,470 --> 02:05:18,400
rewarding you

3259
02:05:24,550 --> 02:05:22,480
uh jimmy with uh italian food tonight so

3260
02:05:26,069 --> 02:05:24,560
roger i got that going for me so thank

3261
02:05:28,390 --> 02:05:26,079
you for that you know this

3262
02:05:30,709 --> 02:05:28,400
is the thing when we're talking about uh

3263
02:05:34,550 --> 02:05:30,719
independence taking down the big man

3264
02:05:38,790 --> 02:05:34,560
and what can be built from that

3265
02:05:42,950 --> 02:05:38,800
virgin richard branson was built

3266
02:05:46,149 --> 02:05:42,960
on the sex pistols that's a fact

3267
02:05:49,589 --> 02:05:46,159
totally exactly that is a fact

3268
02:05:52,229 --> 02:05:49,599
and it blows my mind there would be not

3269
02:05:52,950 --> 02:05:52,239
without the sex pistols so it can be

3270
02:05:55,430 --> 02:05:52,960
done

3271
02:05:56,550 --> 02:05:55,440
um i wanna okay i'm just gonna let

3272
02:05:59,990 --> 02:05:56,560
everybody know i

3273
02:06:00,629 --> 02:06:00,000
warned uh uh i warned richard during the

3274
02:06:02,069 --> 02:06:00,639
break

3275
02:06:03,910 --> 02:06:02,079
that uh we're going straight into

3276
02:06:04,390 --> 02:06:03,920
overtime tonight uh he doesn't have a

3277
02:06:06,950 --> 02:06:04,400
choice

3278
02:06:08,709 --> 02:06:06,960
we have too many things on the table and

3279
02:06:12,950 --> 02:06:08,719
one of the things is this

3280
02:06:16,390 --> 02:06:12,960
um picking up where we left off richard

3281
02:06:19,669 --> 02:06:16,400
memes are now facts

3282
02:06:20,390 --> 02:06:19,679
that's a dangerous place for society to

3283
02:06:23,830 --> 02:06:20,400
be in

3284
02:06:26,470 --> 02:06:23,840
today should we have a mean police

3285
02:06:27,669 --> 02:06:26,480
and i'm not i'm not saying this in jest

3286
02:06:31,510 --> 02:06:27,679
should memes be

3287
02:06:35,109 --> 02:06:31,520
fact checked held back before

3288
02:06:38,310 --> 02:06:35,119
they are posted and and and fact

3289
02:06:39,990 --> 02:06:38,320
checked i i think the fact checking

3290
02:06:41,430 --> 02:06:40,000
thing that's happening right now is a

3291
02:06:43,830 --> 02:06:41,440
bigger conversation

3292
02:06:44,790 --> 02:06:43,840
that's just starting to unfold in here

3293
02:06:46,790 --> 02:06:44,800
and you know

3294
02:06:47,830 --> 02:06:46,800
memes of what i think was elon musk that

3295
02:06:50,950 --> 02:06:47,840
was you know said

3296
02:06:53,270 --> 02:06:50,960
you know the you who was

3297
02:06:54,950 --> 02:06:53,280
the person that owns the memes owns the

3298
02:06:56,149 --> 02:06:54,960
world or the person that has the best

3299
02:06:59,830 --> 02:06:56,159
memes runs the world

3300
02:07:01,750 --> 02:06:59,840
i mean the the ability of being able to

3301
02:07:03,350 --> 02:07:01,760
create essentially an infographic that's

3302
02:07:06,830 --> 02:07:03,360
what you're creating with a meme

3303
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:06,840
and broadcast you know a uh

3304
02:07:10,870 --> 02:07:09,920
multi-faceted you joke usually you know

3305
02:07:13,030 --> 02:07:10,880
humor that

3306
02:07:14,390 --> 02:07:13,040
cannot be interpreted necessarily by an

3307
02:07:18,550 --> 02:07:14,400
ai

3308
02:07:21,189 --> 02:07:18,560
standpoint of understanding humor and

3309
02:07:22,709 --> 02:07:21,199
so the the importance of like sharing

3310
02:07:24,870 --> 02:07:22,719
information through memes

3311
02:07:26,870 --> 02:07:24,880
i think is really really important for

3312
02:07:29,030 --> 02:07:26,880
direct action people to understand

3313
02:07:30,229 --> 02:07:29,040
and get how powerful they are but in the

3314
02:07:31,750 --> 02:07:30,239
same way yeah

3315
02:07:33,430 --> 02:07:31,760
like you know you see people sharing

3316
02:07:35,669 --> 02:07:33,440
memes all the time with like just

3317
02:07:36,550 --> 02:07:35,679
completely bad you know fabricated

3318
02:07:38,149 --> 02:07:36,560
information

3319
02:07:39,750 --> 02:07:38,159
and i think that that's a part of the

3320
02:07:39,990 --> 02:07:39,760
maturation process that we're going

3321
02:07:41,910 --> 02:07:40,000
through

3322
02:07:43,669 --> 02:07:41,920
collectively and understanding how to

3323
02:07:45,030 --> 02:07:43,679
interact you know in these digital

3324
02:07:47,270 --> 02:07:45,040
worlds again this is the

3325
02:07:48,870 --> 02:07:47,280
you know social media in itself and the

3326
02:07:51,430 --> 02:07:48,880
phenomenon of it is you know just

3327
02:07:52,550 --> 02:07:51,440
decade old or a little bit more from

3328
02:07:54,470 --> 02:07:52,560
that standpoint

3329
02:07:56,069 --> 02:07:54,480
and so we're in the fledgling experience

3330
02:07:57,350 --> 02:07:56,079
of really kind of working out all of

3331
02:07:59,589 --> 02:07:57,360
this stuff now so

3332
02:08:01,270 --> 02:07:59,599
it's a good question to to kind of pose

3333
02:08:03,669 --> 02:08:01,280
and and talk about how

3334
02:08:05,430 --> 02:08:03,679
how do you verify information is it on

3335
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:05,440
you as a person to share that and then

3336
02:08:08,310 --> 02:08:06,159
does that

3337
02:08:10,229 --> 02:08:08,320
reflect within the platforms you know

3338
02:08:11,109 --> 02:08:10,239
are you downvoted for sharing stuff that

3339
02:08:12,870 --> 02:08:11,119
you didn't vet

3340
02:08:14,790 --> 02:08:12,880
you know and what's the difference

3341
02:08:18,790 --> 02:08:14,800
what's the line in between

3342
02:08:21,030 --> 02:08:18,800
humor and and and facts

3343
02:08:23,270 --> 02:08:21,040
because i said this in my opening

3344
02:08:25,990 --> 02:08:23,280
statement today but i i really mean

3345
02:08:27,350 --> 02:08:26,000
where would don rickles be in social

3346
02:08:29,589 --> 02:08:27,360
media today

3347
02:08:30,629 --> 02:08:29,599
exactly he would be banned from twitter

3348
02:08:33,430 --> 02:08:30,639
right besides

3349
02:08:33,990 --> 02:08:33,440
like the rest of us exactly i literally

3350
02:08:37,189 --> 02:08:34,000
um

3351
02:08:41,430 --> 02:08:37,199
look look at your camera i posted

3352
02:08:46,310 --> 02:08:41,440
a post about sweet tarts ropes

3353
02:08:51,430 --> 02:08:48,709
that was the post and facebook pulled it

3354
02:08:53,750 --> 02:08:51,440
down the fact checkers pulled it down

3355
02:08:55,109 --> 02:08:53,760
and said this goes against our community

3356
02:08:58,229 --> 02:08:55,119
standards

3357
02:09:01,189 --> 02:08:58,239
for for covid cures yes right

3358
02:09:03,750 --> 02:09:01,199
and misinformation i'm like it's it's

3359
02:09:05,910 --> 02:09:03,760
it's sweet tarts ropes

3360
02:09:07,830 --> 02:09:05,920
and that's the the dark humor that i

3361
02:09:08,709 --> 02:09:07,840
love because that's our predicament here

3362
02:09:10,470 --> 02:09:08,719
like look

3363
02:09:12,310 --> 02:09:10,480
we all have to take accountability for

3364
02:09:15,030 --> 02:09:12,320
how we contribute to the whole

3365
02:09:16,709 --> 02:09:15,040
and that's you know that's part of like

3366
02:09:18,629 --> 02:09:16,719
i said this maturation process of

3367
02:09:21,030 --> 02:09:18,639
getting used to interacting

3368
02:09:22,790 --> 02:09:21,040
with uh you know each other on this mass

3369
02:09:25,910 --> 02:09:22,800
level of communication

3370
02:09:27,510 --> 02:09:25,920
and i think that we it boils down to

3371
02:09:29,350 --> 02:09:27,520
that place do you censor

3372
02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:29,360
or do you have to put up with those

3373
02:09:33,990 --> 02:09:31,360
things and do we have to evolve

3374
02:09:35,109 --> 02:09:34,000
individually to you know that place

3375
02:09:36,229 --> 02:09:35,119
because there's always going to be the

3376
02:09:38,069 --> 02:09:36,239
protagonist out there

3377
02:09:39,430 --> 02:09:38,079
that just wants to mess with people's

3378
02:09:40,149 --> 02:09:39,440
heads and we'll put it out there and

3379
02:09:43,030 --> 02:09:40,159
it's a joke

3380
02:09:44,790 --> 02:09:43,040
man well yeah but it was you know lead

3381
02:09:45,189 --> 02:09:44,800
led people down this way yeah it was a

3382
02:09:47,030 --> 02:09:45,199
joke

3383
02:09:48,870 --> 02:09:47,040
but you're the person that takes the

3384
02:09:50,550 --> 02:09:48,880
accountability for that joke and making

3385
02:09:52,870 --> 02:09:50,560
that joke there so

3386
02:09:54,229 --> 02:09:52,880
it's it's a hard one that we've all got

3387
02:09:56,629 --> 02:09:54,239
to figure out but

3388
02:09:58,550 --> 02:09:56,639
my belief system is always around

3389
02:10:00,870 --> 02:09:58,560
personal sovereignty and accountability

3390
02:10:03,510 --> 02:10:00,880
there and do no harm and as long as

3391
02:10:04,629 --> 02:10:03,520
you're trying to overtly not do harm

3392
02:10:06,790 --> 02:10:04,639
you're in a

3393
02:10:08,470 --> 02:10:06,800
you know a spiritual sovereignty place

3394
02:10:10,470 --> 02:10:08,480
that's in alignment with

3395
02:10:12,149 --> 02:10:10,480
being of service to the collective and i

3396
02:10:13,750 --> 02:10:12,159
know that's a bunch of wordy just ways

3397
02:10:14,069 --> 02:10:13,760
of like you're responsible for the [\h__\h]

3398
02:10:18,149 --> 02:10:14,079
the

3399
02:10:20,390 --> 02:10:18,159
like you know where do we go

3400
02:10:21,910 --> 02:10:20,400
we go to you can't sweep sweet tart

3401
02:10:25,109 --> 02:10:21,920
ropes no way that is

3402
02:10:25,830 --> 02:10:25,119
fact check that does not cure rona i

3403
02:10:28,229 --> 02:10:25,840
could not wait

3404
02:10:29,589 --> 02:10:28,239
you know and i you know and i thought

3405
02:10:32,629 --> 02:10:29,599
about this

3406
02:10:34,390 --> 02:10:32,639
and this goes um uh

3407
02:10:35,750 --> 02:10:34,400
along with this entire conversation that

3408
02:10:38,550 --> 02:10:35,760
we're having now

3409
02:10:40,069 --> 02:10:38,560
that i post a joke like this it's

3410
02:10:43,109 --> 02:10:40,079
obvious humor

3411
02:10:45,750 --> 02:10:43,119
but then does somebody actually eat a

3412
02:10:46,629 --> 02:10:45,760
hundred sweet tarts ropes three times a

3413
02:10:50,870 --> 02:10:46,639
day

3414
02:10:54,390 --> 02:10:50,880
to cure their uh rona and then

3415
02:10:55,990 --> 02:10:54,400
dies of a sugar overdose is that their

3416
02:10:58,390 --> 02:10:56,000
responsibility for not

3417
02:11:00,149 --> 02:10:58,400
doing the research it takes to look up

3418
02:11:00,950 --> 02:11:00,159
sweet tarts and realize it's not a

3419
02:11:04,149 --> 02:11:00,960
legitimate

3420
02:11:05,750 --> 02:11:04,159
runner you know so who so who who's

3421
02:11:07,910 --> 02:11:05,760
responsible here

3422
02:11:09,109 --> 02:11:07,920
me or the person that didn't practice

3423
02:11:10,950 --> 02:11:09,119
discernment

3424
02:11:12,470 --> 02:11:10,960
i think we're all responsible and that's

3425
02:11:14,069 --> 02:11:12,480
where this paradigm is shifting and i

3426
02:11:15,830 --> 02:11:14,079
know that's a paradox again

3427
02:11:17,189 --> 02:11:15,840
for the bigger you know kind of

3428
02:11:19,189 --> 02:11:17,199
conversation but

3429
02:11:20,950 --> 02:11:19,199
i live in existing paradoxes right now

3430
02:11:21,750 --> 02:11:20,960
in a world that's flying apart at the

3431
02:11:24,149 --> 02:11:21,760
seams like

3432
02:11:25,750 --> 02:11:24,159
the paradox is the safe space you know

3433
02:11:27,589 --> 02:11:25,760
that's that's where i'm at

3434
02:11:29,510 --> 02:11:27,599
so i think it's on all of us i think

3435
02:11:31,510 --> 02:11:29,520
individuals you know this is going to be

3436
02:11:33,510 --> 02:11:31,520
a refinement process for who we are as

3437
02:11:36,229 --> 02:11:33,520
individuals and you know choosing

3438
02:11:37,350 --> 02:11:36,239
how we interact online but also it's for

3439
02:11:38,790 --> 02:11:37,360
the tech

3440
02:11:40,950 --> 02:11:38,800
people that are developing these

3441
02:11:42,310 --> 02:11:40,960
platforms to try to also create

3442
02:11:44,709 --> 02:11:42,320
solutions there too

3443
02:11:45,990 --> 02:11:44,719
but ultimately my opinion is you know

3444
02:11:49,510 --> 02:11:46,000
free speech above all

3445
02:11:52,510 --> 02:11:49,520
now with um uh i think the media

3446
02:11:54,069 --> 02:11:52,520
along with social media bears a lot of

3447
02:11:57,589 --> 02:11:54,079
responsibility for

3448
02:12:01,350 --> 02:11:57,599
the divided world that we live in today

3449
02:12:03,750 --> 02:12:01,360
and a movie like the social dilemma

3450
02:12:04,390 --> 02:12:03,760
which clearly painted the picture for

3451
02:12:07,589 --> 02:12:04,400
everybody

3452
02:12:09,589 --> 02:12:07,599
this is where we live this is the world

3453
02:12:11,109 --> 02:12:09,599
that you live in right now and it is

3454
02:12:15,430 --> 02:12:11,119
created just

3455
02:12:17,830 --> 02:12:15,440
for you nobody else has your news feed

3456
02:12:19,270 --> 02:12:17,840
it is created for you out of the

3457
02:12:21,910 --> 02:12:19,280
billions of users

3458
02:12:24,709 --> 02:12:21,920
around the world there are literally

3459
02:12:27,030 --> 02:12:24,719
billions of individual news feeds

3460
02:12:28,629 --> 02:12:27,040
most people don't understand this the

3461
02:12:31,669 --> 02:12:28,639
social dilemma

3462
02:12:34,709 --> 02:12:31,679
if you look up this is what's strange

3463
02:12:37,910 --> 02:12:34,719
if you look up a

3464
02:12:40,629 --> 02:12:37,920
documentary about social media okay

3465
02:12:41,830 --> 02:12:40,639
google actually puts this up number one

3466
02:12:49,109 --> 02:12:41,840
in

3467
02:12:49,589 --> 02:12:49,119
buried this is one of the most truthful

3468
02:12:51,910 --> 02:12:49,599
things

3469
02:12:53,910 --> 02:12:51,920
that have been put out there is the

3470
02:12:56,870 --> 02:12:53,920
social dilemma

3471
02:12:58,790 --> 02:12:56,880
required viewing for anybody on social

3472
02:13:00,550 --> 02:12:58,800
media today

3473
02:13:02,069 --> 02:13:00,560
i think it's definitely helpful to

3474
02:13:03,510 --> 02:13:02,079
understand those you know

3475
02:13:05,910 --> 02:13:03,520
perspectives that are brought forth in

3476
02:13:08,229 --> 02:13:05,920
that piece but it's also

3477
02:13:10,470 --> 02:13:08,239
you know not the end-all of you know

3478
02:13:11,830 --> 02:13:10,480
kind of like the user manual for social

3479
02:13:13,510 --> 02:13:11,840
media it's it's

3480
02:13:14,870 --> 02:13:13,520
it's one of you know it's like the move

3481
02:13:17,189 --> 02:13:14,880
that instagram made with

3482
02:13:19,510 --> 02:13:17,199
making all comments you know not public

3483
02:13:19,910 --> 02:13:19,520
and you know that's a bold move that

3484
02:13:22,470 --> 02:13:19,920
they

3485
02:13:23,669 --> 02:13:22,480
kind of did from that standpoint of you

3486
02:13:26,629 --> 02:13:23,679
know we're going to kind of

3487
02:13:27,109 --> 02:13:26,639
create a culture for social media that

3488
02:13:28,950 --> 02:13:27,119
is

3489
02:13:30,149 --> 02:13:28,960
you know based off of you know the

3490
02:13:31,750 --> 02:13:30,159
contemporary information

3491
02:13:33,830 --> 02:13:31,760
that we have around how it's affecting

3492
02:13:36,069 --> 02:13:33,840
us here and you know things like

3493
02:13:37,270 --> 02:13:36,079
cyber stalking and whatnot that happen

3494
02:13:39,270 --> 02:13:37,280
things like you know

3495
02:13:41,270 --> 02:13:39,280
predatory you know pedophiles looking

3496
02:13:42,310 --> 02:13:41,280
for kids on online all of that type of

3497
02:13:45,030 --> 02:13:42,320
stuff like

3498
02:13:46,310 --> 02:13:45,040
you know the the the inventions and the

3499
02:13:48,310 --> 02:13:46,320
platforms will

3500
02:13:49,510 --> 02:13:48,320
mold and evolve based off of how we

3501
02:13:51,589 --> 02:13:49,520
interact with them

3502
02:13:53,030 --> 02:13:51,599
and how we hold ourselves accountable

3503
02:13:55,669 --> 02:13:53,040
for how we participate

3504
02:13:57,750 --> 02:13:55,679
within those experiences there and you

3505
02:13:59,510 --> 02:13:57,760
know as much as we like to say well they

3506
02:14:00,790 --> 02:13:59,520
you know they built these places they're

3507
02:14:02,390 --> 02:14:00,800
free we're showing up there

3508
02:14:04,149 --> 02:14:02,400
they built those places based off of

3509
02:14:05,109 --> 02:14:04,159
what you're doing they are calculating

3510
02:14:06,629 --> 02:14:05,119
every single day

3511
02:14:08,149 --> 02:14:06,639
how you participate on that and

3512
02:14:10,390 --> 02:14:08,159
upgrading that experience

3513
02:14:11,750 --> 02:14:10,400
based off of you there and when you know

3514
02:14:12,069 --> 02:14:11,760
that and you live that and experience

3515
02:14:14,629 --> 02:14:12,079
that

3516
02:14:15,510 --> 02:14:14,639
more you know it just brings more

3517
02:14:16,790 --> 02:14:15,520
accountability

3518
02:14:18,709 --> 02:14:16,800
to i think the individual of

3519
02:14:20,390 --> 02:14:18,719
understanding how they're contributing

3520
02:14:22,310 --> 02:14:20,400
to the hole there and that's the best

3521
02:14:24,790 --> 02:14:22,320
in my opinion that we can kind of get to

3522
02:14:26,470 --> 02:14:24,800
is really making people aware self-aware

3523
02:14:26,870 --> 02:14:26,480
of how they're affecting others around

3524
02:14:29,109 --> 02:14:26,880
them

3525
02:14:30,709 --> 02:14:29,119
we live such compartmentalized lives and

3526
02:14:32,390 --> 02:14:30,719
social media is another way here's my

3527
02:14:35,430 --> 02:14:32,400
profile here's my friend circle

3528
02:14:37,350 --> 02:14:35,440
you know i blocked you i don't block you

3529
02:14:38,790 --> 02:14:37,360
but ultimately we're all contributing to

3530
02:14:40,149 --> 02:14:38,800
the same experience here and this

3531
02:14:42,390 --> 02:14:40,159
paradigm shift that we're

3532
02:14:43,990 --> 02:14:42,400
leading into is about dissolving

3533
02:14:46,310 --> 02:14:44,000
separation in my opinion

3534
02:14:47,189 --> 02:14:46,320
and really understanding what we can do

3535
02:14:49,750 --> 02:14:47,199
collectively

3536
02:14:50,470 --> 02:14:49,760
like what can we do when we all put our

3537
02:14:53,589 --> 02:14:50,480
focus

3538
02:14:54,310 --> 02:14:53,599
on supporting inaudible human rights for

3539
02:14:56,229 --> 02:14:54,320
us like

3540
02:14:57,910 --> 02:14:56,239
you know food housing health care these

3541
02:14:59,750 --> 02:14:57,920
things that technology can manage

3542
02:15:01,990 --> 02:14:59,760
without a doubt now

3543
02:15:03,830 --> 02:15:02,000
what would our world look like if we

3544
02:15:06,470 --> 02:15:03,840
trained all of our intentions

3545
02:15:07,510 --> 02:15:06,480
on creating an experience like that as

3546
02:15:08,950 --> 02:15:07,520
opposed to

3547
02:15:11,189 --> 02:15:08,960
you know letting corporations create

3548
02:15:13,430 --> 02:15:11,199
experiences that we participate into and

3549
02:15:14,390 --> 02:15:13,440
you know go through that whole you know

3550
02:15:16,149 --> 02:15:14,400
rigamaroo

3551
02:15:17,589 --> 02:15:16,159
in all of this so i think that it's a

3552
02:15:18,709 --> 02:15:17,599
bigger part of where we're going

3553
02:15:20,550 --> 02:15:18,719
collectively which

3554
02:15:21,830 --> 02:15:20,560
you know we're maturing through this

3555
02:15:23,990 --> 02:15:21,840
whole process but

3556
02:15:25,430 --> 02:15:24,000
ultimately where we're trying to get to

3557
02:15:28,229 --> 02:15:25,440
is a place of you know

3558
02:15:29,990 --> 02:15:28,239
collective living shared resources you

3559
02:15:30,390 --> 02:15:30,000
know you look at advances in like things

3560
02:15:33,030 --> 02:15:30,400
like

3561
02:15:34,470 --> 02:15:33,040
uber and airbnb 15 years ago if you told

3562
02:15:35,830 --> 02:15:34,480
you know somebody take a ride from a

3563
02:15:37,350 --> 02:15:35,840
stranger off the street or let a

3564
02:15:39,189 --> 02:15:37,360
stranger sleep in your house

3565
02:15:41,350 --> 02:15:39,199
like you'd be nuts you know and now

3566
02:15:43,350 --> 02:15:41,360
these industries have decimated

3567
02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:43,360
you know corporations that have you know

3568
02:15:48,229 --> 02:15:45,599
held you know the housing side of things

3569
02:15:50,709 --> 02:15:48,239
in hotels or the monopolies in the taxi

3570
02:15:52,950 --> 02:15:50,719
you know the travel and all of that

3571
02:15:54,709 --> 02:15:52,960
these are the types of ideas and

3572
02:15:56,790 --> 02:15:54,719
and things that are brought forth by

3573
02:15:58,950 --> 02:15:56,800
people creating solutions for the

3574
02:16:00,790 --> 02:15:58,960
changing evolving consciousness and how

3575
02:16:01,589 --> 02:16:00,800
people want to collectively participate

3576
02:16:03,109 --> 02:16:01,599
with each other

3577
02:16:05,430 --> 02:16:03,119
i think we just keep pushing that

3578
02:16:07,030 --> 02:16:05,440
conversation we keep opening that up how

3579
02:16:08,950 --> 02:16:07,040
can we serve each other more

3580
02:16:10,950 --> 02:16:08,960
how can we be better to each other how

3581
02:16:11,750 --> 02:16:10,960
can we protect our individual rights and

3582
02:16:13,189 --> 02:16:11,760
sovereignty

3583
02:16:14,790 --> 02:16:13,199
as a whole collective if we're all

3584
02:16:16,950 --> 02:16:14,800
pushing in that direction

3585
02:16:18,149 --> 02:16:16,960
then you know there's there's nothing

3586
02:16:19,830 --> 02:16:18,159
that can really survive

3587
02:16:22,310 --> 02:16:19,840
against that that will pray off of us

3588
02:16:24,550 --> 02:16:22,320
because we all have the perspective

3589
02:16:26,229 --> 02:16:24,560
of serving the whole together

3590
02:16:28,229 --> 02:16:26,239
collectively and understanding the

3591
02:16:31,510 --> 02:16:28,239
responsibility that we each take in

3592
02:16:35,030 --> 02:16:31,520
serving them and how how do we

3593
02:16:38,709 --> 02:16:35,040
talk about a paradox where knowledge and

3594
02:16:41,830 --> 02:16:38,719
information for the individual

3595
02:16:43,349 --> 02:16:41,840
is is a it should be a right we should

3596
02:16:45,990 --> 02:16:43,359
have access to

3597
02:16:47,830 --> 02:16:46,000
information and knowledge if we want it

3598
02:16:49,830 --> 02:16:47,840
without it being censored

3599
02:16:52,309 --> 02:16:49,840
and then we have the question of

3600
02:16:56,150 --> 02:16:52,319
disclosure and what the government

3601
02:16:58,549 --> 02:16:56,160
knows about et and ufos

3602
02:16:59,349 --> 02:16:58,559
and right now they are trying to act

3603
02:17:02,790 --> 02:16:59,359
like they

3604
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:02,800
are our friend right and

3605
02:17:09,190 --> 02:17:06,080
now that's a genuine paradox in it

3606
02:17:10,629 --> 02:17:09,200
in of itself isn't it i definitely think

3607
02:17:13,349 --> 02:17:10,639
so and i think that

3608
02:17:14,549 --> 02:17:13,359
paradox you know is a fractal of a

3609
02:17:16,469 --> 02:17:14,559
bigger experience you

3610
02:17:18,230 --> 02:17:16,479
right now we're talking full disclosure

3611
02:17:19,589 --> 02:17:18,240
in the united states right here

3612
02:17:21,349 --> 02:17:19,599
you know from the idea of these

3613
02:17:23,030 --> 02:17:21,359
extraterrestrial technologies because we

3614
02:17:24,389 --> 02:17:23,040
can have that conversation we've had

3615
02:17:26,150 --> 02:17:24,399
access to information

3616
02:17:27,910 --> 02:17:26,160
but if you go to third world countries

3617
02:17:29,750 --> 02:17:27,920
people and communities village

3618
02:17:31,509 --> 02:17:29,760
communities especially that don't have

3619
02:17:33,270 --> 02:17:31,519
access to education that don't have

3620
02:17:35,349 --> 02:17:33,280
access to information

3621
02:17:37,110 --> 02:17:35,359
the ability to inform themselves that's

3622
02:17:38,469 --> 02:17:37,120
where things like forced marriages are

3623
02:17:40,549 --> 02:17:38,479
continuing to happen

3624
02:17:42,629 --> 02:17:40,559
that's where you know the mis-education

3625
02:17:45,190 --> 02:17:42,639
of the broader global public they have

3626
02:17:46,469 --> 02:17:45,200
no idea full disclosure you know and

3627
02:17:48,589 --> 02:17:46,479
disclosure could mean

3628
02:17:50,549 --> 02:17:48,599
so many different things from the

3629
02:17:51,349 --> 02:17:50,559
compartmentalization of information and

3630
02:17:53,990 --> 02:17:51,359
the gift

3631
02:17:56,150 --> 02:17:54,000
of opening up the world to have access

3632
02:17:57,990 --> 02:17:56,160
to global information you know projects

3633
02:18:00,469 --> 02:17:58,000
like starlink the idea of

3634
02:18:02,150 --> 02:18:00,479
bringing you know global internet to

3635
02:18:03,270 --> 02:18:02,160
like you know village communities third

3636
02:18:05,429 --> 02:18:03,280
world communities

3637
02:18:06,950 --> 02:18:05,439
what is gonna happen when you know the

3638
02:18:09,030 --> 02:18:06,960
poorest of the poor get

3639
02:18:09,990 --> 02:18:09,040
access to the information that's gonna

3640
02:18:12,309 --> 02:18:10,000
free them you're

3641
02:18:13,990 --> 02:18:12,319
going to see an uprising in people that

3642
02:18:16,230 --> 02:18:14,000
abandon school systems

3643
02:18:17,830 --> 02:18:16,240
and get right into like you know self

3644
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:17,840
teaching themselves you know how to

3645
02:18:22,469 --> 02:18:18,880
become

3646
02:18:23,589 --> 02:18:22,479
scientists this is when you have access

3647
02:18:25,990 --> 02:18:23,599
to the information

3648
02:18:28,469 --> 02:18:26,000
you're free and outside of the

3649
02:18:30,709 --> 02:18:28,479
curriculums of the institutions

3650
02:18:32,070 --> 02:18:30,719
that are serving it up at a price and i

3651
02:18:34,790 --> 02:18:32,080
think that those

3652
02:18:36,389 --> 02:18:34,800
advents and those you know things that

3653
02:18:37,429 --> 02:18:36,399
are to come here especially over the

3654
02:18:39,270 --> 02:18:37,439
next decade

3655
02:18:40,950 --> 02:18:39,280
when the whole world has access to

3656
02:18:41,910 --> 02:18:40,960
information that's when we're all going

3657
02:18:44,389 --> 02:18:41,920
to realize

3658
02:18:46,870 --> 02:18:44,399
whoa we can come together and really

3659
02:18:47,910 --> 02:18:46,880
create something completely supportive

3660
02:18:49,589 --> 02:18:47,920
for all of us

3661
02:18:51,750 --> 02:18:49,599
and we can have our own opinions we can

3662
02:18:52,150 --> 02:18:51,760
have our own cultures we can have you

3663
02:18:54,950 --> 02:18:52,160
know

3664
02:18:56,549 --> 02:18:54,960
our own individuality but man it's not

3665
02:18:58,549 --> 02:18:56,559
going to take a lot to really kind of

3666
02:18:59,030 --> 02:18:58,559
rebuild the system from the standpoint

3667
02:19:00,709 --> 02:18:59,040
of

3668
02:19:02,709 --> 02:19:00,719
you know inalienable human rights to

3669
02:19:05,349 --> 02:19:02,719
support everyone to explore whatever

3670
02:19:06,709 --> 02:19:05,359
their desires are whatever inspires them

3671
02:19:08,469 --> 02:19:06,719
you know if you weren't working at

3672
02:19:09,190 --> 02:19:08,479
mcdonald's if you weren't working in a

3673
02:19:10,790 --> 02:19:09,200
cubicle

3674
02:19:12,469 --> 02:19:10,800
what would you be doing you know if you

3675
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:12,479
had access to that information

3676
02:19:15,669 --> 02:19:14,639
or the support to just explore those

3677
02:19:17,429 --> 02:19:15,679
desires

3678
02:19:19,190 --> 02:19:17,439
that's where human potential will be

3679
02:19:20,309 --> 02:19:19,200
unlocked and that's where a new paradigm

3680
02:19:23,589 --> 02:19:20,319
shift is going to come

3681
02:19:24,230 --> 02:19:23,599
well i i i often ask myself that exact

3682
02:19:26,629 --> 02:19:24,240
question

3683
02:19:28,389 --> 02:19:26,639
you know we know that there are four and

3684
02:19:30,709 --> 02:19:28,399
a half billion people out of

3685
02:19:31,589 --> 02:19:30,719
seven and a half billion people right

3686
02:19:34,070 --> 02:19:31,599
now

3687
02:19:34,629 --> 02:19:34,080
on the internet in the world that's

3688
02:19:37,110 --> 02:19:34,639
that's

3689
02:19:38,389 --> 02:19:37,120
pretty amazing there's another three

3690
02:19:40,549 --> 02:19:38,399
billion people

3691
02:19:42,309 --> 02:19:40,559
that have no idea what you and i are

3692
02:19:44,790 --> 02:19:42,319
talking about right now

3693
02:19:45,750 --> 02:19:44,800
right a disclosure information

3694
02:19:50,150 --> 02:19:45,760
censorship

3695
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:50,160
youtube they don't have any idea

3696
02:19:54,150 --> 02:19:53,120
and that's not right and but if i went

3697
02:19:57,510 --> 02:19:54,160
to

3698
02:20:00,150 --> 02:19:57,520
as you know a family

3699
02:20:01,990 --> 02:20:00,160
and as harsh as this may sound if i go

3700
02:20:05,190 --> 02:20:02,000
to a family that is digging in

3701
02:20:06,630 --> 02:20:05,200
a garbage dump in india or brazil so

3702
02:20:10,070 --> 02:20:06,640
they can survive

3703
02:20:13,750 --> 02:20:10,080
a day and i talk to them about e.t

3704
02:20:15,670 --> 02:20:13,760
and bases on mars and disclosure

3705
02:20:17,030 --> 02:20:15,680
that they have no idea what i'm talking

3706
02:20:20,389 --> 02:20:17,040
about nor would they

3707
02:20:21,670 --> 02:20:20,399
care yes exactly and that those other

3708
02:20:24,150 --> 02:20:21,680
three billion people

3709
02:20:25,510 --> 02:20:24,160
the majority of those people are the the

3710
02:20:26,469 --> 02:20:25,520
most impoverished of the most

3711
02:20:29,429 --> 02:20:26,479
impoverished

3712
02:20:30,230 --> 02:20:29,439
and those cultures and you know that are

3713
02:20:32,550 --> 02:20:30,240
disconnected

3714
02:20:33,670 --> 02:20:32,560
from kind of the modern technological

3715
02:20:35,990 --> 02:20:33,680
advances of

3716
02:20:37,030 --> 02:20:36,000
you know our first world countries or

3717
02:20:40,070 --> 02:20:37,040
you know whatever

3718
02:20:42,230 --> 02:20:40,080
kind of this utopian you know vision of

3719
02:20:45,110 --> 02:20:42,240
what we feel like we live in in america

3720
02:20:46,309 --> 02:20:45,120
those people actually have uh incredible

3721
02:20:48,389 --> 02:20:46,319
insights to

3722
02:20:50,150 --> 02:20:48,399
the simplest forms of living that have

3723
02:20:52,389 --> 02:20:50,160
like kept them together

3724
02:20:53,910 --> 02:20:52,399
that have kept them happy i've been to

3725
02:20:55,429 --> 02:20:53,920
third world countries where

3726
02:20:57,349 --> 02:20:55,439
you know children are playing in

3727
02:21:00,469 --> 02:20:57,359
complete like filth but just

3728
02:21:01,670 --> 02:21:00,479
enjoying life still you know and the

3729
02:21:03,270 --> 02:21:01,680
idea of

3730
02:21:05,590 --> 02:21:03,280
you know these three billion other

3731
02:21:06,550 --> 02:21:05,600
people having access to information you

3732
02:21:08,389 --> 02:21:06,560
can even look at

3733
02:21:09,670 --> 02:21:08,399
you know an issue like you know modern

3734
02:21:11,990 --> 02:21:09,680
day slavery

3735
02:21:14,309 --> 02:21:12,000
you've got people working in sweatshops

3736
02:21:16,070 --> 02:21:14,319
globally that are being pulled from

3737
02:21:18,230 --> 02:21:16,080
all different types of community to make

3738
02:21:19,590 --> 02:21:18,240
goods for us here that we go and buy and

3739
02:21:21,190 --> 02:21:19,600
we have no connection to that

3740
02:21:23,270 --> 02:21:21,200
those people if they had access to

3741
02:21:25,349 --> 02:21:23,280
information they may not be

3742
02:21:27,270 --> 02:21:25,359
in a sweatshop working for four cents an

3743
02:21:29,030 --> 02:21:27,280
hour they may actually be trying to do

3744
02:21:30,790 --> 02:21:29,040
something else and understanding that

3745
02:21:32,469 --> 02:21:30,800
but what those communities don't know

3746
02:21:34,309 --> 02:21:32,479
right now is that there's a possibility

3747
02:21:35,830 --> 02:21:34,319
outside of what they're being dished out

3748
02:21:37,190 --> 02:21:35,840
they have no access to understanding

3749
02:21:38,230 --> 02:21:37,200
that they have no access to

3750
02:21:40,230 --> 02:21:38,240
understanding

3751
02:21:41,910 --> 02:21:40,240
that the way that they've been you know

3752
02:21:44,389 --> 02:21:41,920
brought up and limited

3753
02:21:46,070 --> 02:21:44,399
as far as information goes the bigger

3754
02:21:48,230 --> 02:21:46,080
world that's available to them

3755
02:21:49,190 --> 02:21:48,240
and so when information is truly

3756
02:21:51,349 --> 02:21:49,200
available

3757
02:21:53,670 --> 02:21:51,359
to you know all the billions of people

3758
02:21:56,710 --> 02:21:53,680
on this planet from that standpoint

3759
02:21:58,550 --> 02:21:56,720
that's going to one break apart

3760
02:22:00,790 --> 02:21:58,560
the ways that they have you know

3761
02:22:03,270 --> 02:22:00,800
systematically prayed off of

3762
02:22:05,110 --> 02:22:03,280
you know caste and class systems you

3763
02:22:05,910 --> 02:22:05,120
know throughout the uneducated through

3764
02:22:08,070 --> 02:22:05,920
the poor

3765
02:22:09,670 --> 02:22:08,080
and it will break away all of that stuff

3766
02:22:10,950 --> 02:22:09,680
where everybody can self-educate

3767
02:22:13,190 --> 02:22:10,960
everybody can communicate

3768
02:22:14,230 --> 02:22:13,200
everybody can learn new languages you

3769
02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:14,240
know that's

3770
02:22:18,469 --> 02:22:16,160
that's that transition that i just kind

3771
02:22:20,870 --> 02:22:18,479
of see now you've shot documentaries in

3772
02:22:23,910 --> 02:22:20,880
nepal you've shot documentaries in bali

3773
02:22:27,670 --> 02:22:23,920
um of of a very

3774
02:22:31,429 --> 02:22:27,680
um harsh but yet positive

3775
02:22:34,469 --> 02:22:31,439
uh documentaries okay that's your thing

3776
02:22:35,190 --> 02:22:34,479
but how is it that you're exposed to

3777
02:22:37,910 --> 02:22:35,200
that

3778
02:22:38,790 --> 02:22:37,920
but you still have to get on a plane and

3779
02:22:40,630 --> 02:22:38,800
fly back

3780
02:22:42,230 --> 02:22:40,640
to the country where the streets are

3781
02:22:43,830 --> 02:22:42,240
paved with gold

3782
02:22:45,990 --> 02:22:43,840
now you've got an emotional thing that

3783
02:22:48,630 --> 02:22:46,000
you have to deal with

3784
02:22:50,870 --> 02:22:48,640
yeah and it and you know it's part of

3785
02:22:53,270 --> 02:22:50,880
what breathes into me who i am you know

3786
02:22:55,510 --> 02:22:53,280
those experiences i've always enjoyed

3787
02:22:57,190 --> 02:22:55,520
travel i've always enjoyed being with

3788
02:22:59,190 --> 02:22:57,200
the poorest of the poor you know

3789
02:23:00,950 --> 02:22:59,200
i've been homeless in my life i've been

3790
02:23:01,429 --> 02:23:00,960
you know an extreme heroin addict when i

3791
02:23:03,190 --> 02:23:01,439
was

3792
02:23:05,190 --> 02:23:03,200
you know younger i know what it's like

3793
02:23:07,349 --> 02:23:05,200
to live in you know skid row in los

3794
02:23:09,030 --> 02:23:07,359
angeles i know what it's like to be in

3795
02:23:11,190 --> 02:23:09,040
impoverished countries i know what it's

3796
02:23:13,670 --> 02:23:11,200
like to see people victimized by

3797
02:23:14,389 --> 02:23:13,680
you know different uh aspects of culture

3798
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:14,399
and state

3799
02:23:18,230 --> 02:23:17,040
that uh you know create a horrible

3800
02:23:21,590 --> 02:23:18,240
experience and

3801
02:23:22,469 --> 02:23:21,600
for me it's it's always about refining

3802
02:23:25,910 --> 02:23:22,479
humility

3803
02:23:27,110 --> 02:23:25,920
unconditional love you're never going to

3804
02:23:30,230 --> 02:23:27,120
really truly experience

3805
02:23:32,469 --> 02:23:30,240
unconditional love without you know just

3806
02:23:33,429 --> 02:23:32,479
really understanding humility and to me

3807
02:23:35,030 --> 02:23:33,439
it's like i'm

3808
02:23:36,870 --> 02:23:35,040
this is when you asked me before do i

3809
02:23:38,230 --> 02:23:36,880
have any regrets it's like i can't ever

3810
02:23:39,990 --> 02:23:38,240
look down on anybody

3811
02:23:41,830 --> 02:23:40,000
because i've been at the lowest of the

3812
02:23:43,429 --> 02:23:41,840
low through those experiences you know

3813
02:23:45,110 --> 02:23:43,439
and when you do that and when you put

3814
02:23:47,190 --> 02:23:45,120
yourself through those experiences

3815
02:23:48,790 --> 02:23:47,200
and you open up to the world and you

3816
02:23:50,950 --> 02:23:48,800
know you talk with people

3817
02:23:52,870 --> 02:23:50,960
and you're a mirror for them to be you

3818
02:23:54,389 --> 02:23:52,880
know an ear to hear their story and

3819
02:23:55,830 --> 02:23:54,399
understand the plights of

3820
02:23:58,550 --> 02:23:55,840
you know different cultures and

3821
02:24:00,469 --> 02:23:58,560
different communities it only gives you

3822
02:24:01,990 --> 02:24:00,479
a better perspective on how you can be

3823
02:24:03,990 --> 02:24:02,000
of service to the collective in

3824
02:24:06,309 --> 02:24:04,000
all so you know that's that's kind of

3825
02:24:08,550 --> 02:24:06,319
the philosophy that i've existed by

3826
02:24:09,910 --> 02:24:08,560
and gone through and experienced is you

3827
02:24:11,590 --> 02:24:09,920
know no regrets

3828
02:24:14,150 --> 02:24:11,600
and really just trying to never look

3829
02:24:14,710 --> 02:24:14,160
down on on anybody and that all comes

3830
02:24:15,990 --> 02:24:14,720
from just

3831
02:24:17,990 --> 02:24:16,000
you know knowing what it's like to be in

3832
02:24:18,630 --> 02:24:18,000
the lowest of the low that's the only

3833
02:24:21,349 --> 02:24:18,640
way

3834
02:24:23,429 --> 02:24:21,359
and before we we've got a few minutes

3835
02:24:24,469 --> 02:24:23,439
before we head to the break but there is

3836
02:24:29,030 --> 02:24:24,479
something that i want to

3837
02:24:32,150 --> 02:24:29,040
spend some time on and which is 2021.

3838
02:24:32,950 --> 02:24:32,160
we just came off at 2020. no need to

3839
02:24:36,950 --> 02:24:32,960
discuss it

3840
02:24:40,230 --> 02:24:36,960
i it was a parallel world man it was we

3841
02:24:42,630 --> 02:24:40,240
we we went to the edge of the cliff man

3842
02:24:46,070 --> 02:24:42,640
and took a peek in the dark right

3843
02:24:50,309 --> 02:24:46,080
you know that was but but here we are

3844
02:24:52,790 --> 02:24:50,319
2021 i feel we have taken the turn

3845
02:24:54,950 --> 02:24:52,800
right that's it we've we've taken it

3846
02:24:58,630 --> 02:24:54,960
down as far as we can go

3847
02:25:01,510 --> 02:24:58,640
that's my view how do you see 2021

3848
02:25:01,910 --> 02:25:01,520
right here in the middle of january uh

3849
02:25:04,950 --> 02:25:01,920
what's

3850
02:25:07,910 --> 02:25:04,960
our future

3851
02:25:08,309 --> 02:25:07,920
2021 that kind of has this vibe to me

3852
02:25:09,990 --> 02:25:08,319
like

3853
02:25:11,910 --> 02:25:10,000
you know i used to party a lot when i

3854
02:25:14,389 --> 02:25:11,920
was younger like big time

3855
02:25:16,469 --> 02:25:14,399
and you know that sunday that comes

3856
02:25:17,830 --> 02:25:16,479
after a weekend of partying and you wake

3857
02:25:20,389 --> 02:25:17,840
up and you're like oh

3858
02:25:22,389 --> 02:25:20,399
oh god you know back back to the routine

3859
02:25:25,429 --> 02:25:22,399
2021 i think is about that

3860
02:25:27,349 --> 02:25:25,439
you know we all got to really look uh

3861
02:25:29,349 --> 02:25:27,359
the darkness in the face of each other

3862
02:25:31,270 --> 02:25:29,359
this year and really kind of see

3863
02:25:32,950 --> 02:25:31,280
how far we'll let it go you know

3864
02:25:33,510 --> 02:25:32,960
collectively how far are we willing to

3865
02:25:36,230 --> 02:25:33,520
let it go

3866
02:25:38,790 --> 02:25:36,240
with each other and i think that 2021

3867
02:25:40,790 --> 02:25:38,800
offers the opportunity to kind of

3868
02:25:42,469 --> 02:25:40,800
march forward with what was uncovered

3869
02:25:43,750 --> 02:25:42,479
through this dark night of the soul you

3870
02:25:44,710 --> 02:25:43,760
know they always say it's darkest just

3871
02:25:46,870 --> 02:25:44,720
before the dawn

3872
02:25:49,270 --> 02:25:46,880
right this is the this is the dawn here

3873
02:25:51,349 --> 02:25:49,280
you you know from that standpoint of

3874
02:25:53,270 --> 02:25:51,359
what we build after this point and

3875
02:25:56,070 --> 02:25:53,280
especially over the next decade

3876
02:25:57,349 --> 02:25:56,080
will echo into you know the thousands of

3877
02:26:00,230 --> 02:25:57,359
years to come the

3878
02:26:01,590 --> 02:26:00,240
the mile the the the fork in the road

3879
02:26:04,309 --> 02:26:01,600
the crossroads that

3880
02:26:05,270 --> 02:26:04,319
you know is being presented now is very

3881
02:26:07,510 --> 02:26:05,280
very real

3882
02:26:08,389 --> 02:26:07,520
and do we choose collectively to move

3883
02:26:12,070 --> 02:26:08,399
into a place

3884
02:26:14,710 --> 02:26:12,080
of you know sovereignty and love and

3885
02:26:15,510 --> 02:26:14,720
uh you know communal support of the

3886
02:26:17,990 --> 02:26:15,520
collective

3887
02:26:18,550 --> 02:26:18,000
or we do we choose to move into a place

3888
02:26:21,429 --> 02:26:18,560
of

3889
02:26:22,150 --> 02:26:21,439
you know fear and separation and

3890
02:26:23,910 --> 02:26:22,160
protection

3891
02:26:26,070 --> 02:26:23,920
and all of the things that kind of come

3892
02:26:27,910 --> 02:26:26,080
up through that myriad of experiences

3893
02:26:29,830 --> 02:26:27,920
and it's really up to everybody you know

3894
02:26:32,790 --> 02:26:29,840
what they choose i'm choosing love

3895
02:26:34,870 --> 02:26:32,800
i'm choosing the the the concept of this

3896
02:26:36,630 --> 02:26:34,880
is exactly the spank that we needed you

3897
02:26:40,790 --> 02:26:36,640
know

3898
02:26:44,150 --> 02:26:40,800
until they stuck their hand in it

3899
02:26:47,349 --> 02:26:44,160
were you surprised were you surprised uh

3900
02:26:50,550 --> 02:26:47,359
i'm using uh nine inch nails here

3901
02:26:52,710 --> 02:26:50,560
the downward spiral right were you

3902
02:26:55,190 --> 02:26:52,720
surprised at how quick that was

3903
02:26:56,230 --> 02:26:55,200
the downward spiral and hating your

3904
02:26:59,590 --> 02:26:56,240
neighbor

3905
02:27:02,150 --> 02:26:59,600
how easy it was to get there

3906
02:27:02,950 --> 02:27:02,160
unfortunately no i wasn't surprised by

3907
02:27:06,389 --> 02:27:02,960
it

3908
02:27:06,870 --> 02:27:06,399
i was heartbroken in seeing the mass of

3909
02:27:09,670 --> 02:27:06,880
that

3910
02:27:11,590 --> 02:27:09,680
being brought out but in the same way

3911
02:27:13,270 --> 02:27:11,600
it's like those things need to happen so

3912
02:27:15,349 --> 02:27:13,280
we can witness them and understand

3913
02:27:17,510 --> 02:27:15,359
it's it's what we're all capable of you

3914
02:27:18,309 --> 02:27:17,520
know like all of us are capable of those

3915
02:27:20,469 --> 02:27:18,319
things like

3916
02:27:21,429 --> 02:27:20,479
you know we can judge murderers and you

3917
02:27:23,590 --> 02:27:21,439
know uh

3918
02:27:25,349 --> 02:27:23,600
you know people have that have done

3919
02:27:26,710 --> 02:27:25,359
horrible things but you know when it

3920
02:27:28,790 --> 02:27:26,720
really comes down to it we're all

3921
02:27:30,070 --> 02:27:28,800
capable of that and we're all one you

3922
02:27:31,750 --> 02:27:30,080
know from that standpoint at least

3923
02:27:33,349 --> 02:27:31,760
that's how i choose to perceive it

3924
02:27:35,990 --> 02:27:33,359
because if i perceive from a place of

3925
02:27:36,469 --> 02:27:36,000
separation you know i'm consumed by fear

3926
02:27:38,309 --> 02:27:36,479
and

3927
02:27:40,150 --> 02:27:38,319
you know it's like i've got kids i've

3928
02:27:42,469 --> 02:27:40,160
got you know that's that

3929
02:27:45,190 --> 02:27:42,479
place to kind of hold that line in my

3930
02:27:47,030 --> 02:27:45,200
own stewardship of my own line of

3931
02:27:48,550 --> 02:27:47,040
you know my bloodline and my

3932
02:27:51,190 --> 02:27:48,560
responsibilities but

3933
02:27:52,230 --> 02:27:51,200
the idea of succumbing to that there's

3934
02:27:54,070 --> 02:27:52,240
there's no end to it

3935
02:27:56,070 --> 02:27:54,080
there's no end to that darkness and so i

3936
02:27:58,870 --> 02:27:56,080
continually have to hold that space

3937
02:27:59,590 --> 02:27:58,880
uh not surprised by where it went but

3938
02:28:02,710 --> 02:27:59,600
definitely

3939
02:28:04,630 --> 02:28:02,720
trying to like use it as an opportunity

3940
02:28:05,910 --> 02:28:04,640
to look at where we don't want to go i

3941
02:28:08,070 --> 02:28:05,920
think is is is

3942
02:28:10,550 --> 02:28:08,080
where it's best said yeah we were right

3943
02:28:12,950 --> 02:28:10,560
there man we were we were on that boat

3944
02:28:13,990 --> 02:28:12,960
pulling up in apocalypse now to colonel

3945
02:28:17,030 --> 02:28:14,000
kurtz

3946
02:28:19,190 --> 02:28:17,040
totally that's a great metaphor man

3947
02:28:20,230 --> 02:28:19,200
that's we were right there man like the

3948
02:28:23,670 --> 02:28:20,240
donner party

3949
02:28:27,030 --> 02:28:23,680
you know the darkness exactly

3950
02:28:31,190 --> 02:28:27,040
it's bad i mean whoo i don't know

3951
02:28:33,670 --> 02:28:31,200
how how how much closer we can get

3952
02:28:34,469 --> 02:28:33,680
into staring ourselves uh in the face

3953
02:28:37,349 --> 02:28:34,479
you know and

3954
02:28:37,750 --> 02:28:37,359
i've seen the enemy and he is us right

3955
02:28:39,670 --> 02:28:37,760
yes

3956
02:28:41,429 --> 02:28:39,680
it's it's it's like we were right there

3957
02:28:43,030 --> 02:28:41,439
all right richard stay right there let's

3958
02:28:43,830 --> 02:28:43,040
take our break right now we'll come

3959
02:28:46,790 --> 02:28:43,840
straight back

3960
02:28:48,469 --> 02:28:46,800
into some overtime and this is the point

3961
02:28:49,349 --> 02:28:48,479
of the show when we go into overtime

3962
02:28:52,150 --> 02:28:49,359
with the guests

3963
02:28:53,590 --> 02:28:52,160
where we can you know well we've had fun

3964
02:28:56,070 --> 02:28:53,600
so far

3965
02:28:57,830 --> 02:28:56,080
but well we can let loose a little bit

3966
02:28:59,349 --> 02:28:57,840
and and open up but we'll do all of that

3967
02:29:00,790 --> 02:28:59,359
after this short break this is fade to

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black i'm real jimmy church

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tonight roger r richards

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[Music]

4053
02:33:05,270 --> 02:33:03,600
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

4054
02:33:08,309 --> 02:33:05,280
jimmy church overtime with

4055
02:33:11,110 --> 02:33:08,319
roger richards roger r richards

4056
02:33:12,710 --> 02:33:11,120
the triple r you know it's funny before

4057
02:33:13,910 --> 02:33:12,720
the break i caught myself i called you

4058
02:33:17,429 --> 02:33:13,920
richard twice

4059
02:33:19,990 --> 02:33:17,439
i've never called you richard

4060
02:33:21,030 --> 02:33:20,000
where did that come from just the polite

4061
02:33:23,670 --> 02:33:21,040
of having the

4062
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to the first name last name going man

4063
02:33:27,349 --> 02:33:24,800
the triple r

4064
02:33:28,469 --> 02:33:27,359
i apologize for that it's funny because

4065
02:33:31,190 --> 02:33:28,479
if i had called you

4066
02:33:33,190 --> 02:33:31,200
richard richards over the years that's

4067
02:33:36,309 --> 02:33:33,200
different

4068
02:33:40,710 --> 02:33:36,319
it's always been roger uh so anyway

4069
02:33:43,750 --> 02:33:40,720
okay um i i i want to start here

4070
02:33:46,070 --> 02:33:43,760
um and and kind of open things up we

4071
02:33:47,190 --> 02:33:46,080
we haven't discussed this tonight but

4072
02:33:49,670 --> 02:33:47,200
part of

4073
02:33:51,110 --> 02:33:49,680
what has been going on over the last

4074
02:33:54,710 --> 02:33:51,120
three or four years

4075
02:33:57,830 --> 02:33:54,720
with the disclosure community is ttsa

4076
02:33:59,670 --> 02:33:57,840
uh whether you're on one side of the

4077
02:34:01,110 --> 02:33:59,680
fence or the other with ttsa doesn't

4078
02:34:03,990 --> 02:34:01,120
matter but

4079
02:34:05,590 --> 02:34:04,000
over the last couple of weeks the rumors

4080
02:34:09,910 --> 02:34:05,600
and announcements

4081
02:34:12,950 --> 02:34:09,920
uh about you know the departure of

4082
02:34:16,230 --> 02:34:12,960
louis elizondo and steve justice and

4083
02:34:19,270 --> 02:34:16,240
and christopher mellon the foundation of

4084
02:34:23,270 --> 02:34:19,280
ttsa of course aside from

4085
02:34:24,870 --> 02:34:23,280
tom delong took us took us by surprise

4086
02:34:26,950 --> 02:34:24,880
what did you think when you started to

4087
02:34:29,670 --> 02:34:26,960
hear that is it the downfall

4088
02:34:31,510 --> 02:34:29,680
of ttsa what do you think it sure seems

4089
02:34:33,349 --> 02:34:31,520
like that you know looking at

4090
02:34:34,950 --> 02:34:33,359
you know and coming from a place of

4091
02:34:36,550 --> 02:34:34,960
knowing it's like you know building a

4092
02:34:38,070 --> 02:34:36,560
project and watching it fall apart it

4093
02:34:41,270 --> 02:34:38,080
sure looks like it's in the

4094
02:34:43,750 --> 02:34:41,280
death rattles of that experience

4095
02:34:45,110 --> 02:34:43,760
and so yeah i definitely uh think that

4096
02:34:47,190 --> 02:34:45,120
it's on its way out i

4097
02:34:48,150 --> 02:34:47,200
i think that the the more interesting

4098
02:34:50,389 --> 02:34:48,160
conversation

4099
02:34:52,550 --> 02:34:50,399
um from there is where does it go where

4100
02:34:54,469 --> 02:34:52,560
does uh luis and the rest of them go

4101
02:34:55,670 --> 02:34:54,479
uh where does de long go you know with

4102
02:34:57,429 --> 02:34:55,680
this experience

4103
02:34:58,710 --> 02:34:57,439
and it will reveal a lot of what the

4104
02:35:00,550 --> 02:34:58,720
intentions were you know from the

4105
02:35:02,150 --> 02:35:00,560
beginning you know potentially for for

4106
02:35:03,110 --> 02:35:02,160
them you know were they self-serving for

4107
02:35:05,349 --> 02:35:03,120
fame or

4108
02:35:07,270 --> 02:35:05,359
you know they doing other things you

4109
02:35:10,550 --> 02:35:07,280
know from that standpoint to

4110
02:35:12,070 --> 02:35:10,560
you know the disinformation whatever

4111
02:35:13,750 --> 02:35:12,080
your opinions are about the

4112
02:35:15,110 --> 02:35:13,760
you know the whole thing it's like it's

4113
02:35:17,270 --> 02:35:15,120
definitely on its way

4114
02:35:19,030 --> 02:35:17,280
uh it's in its death rattle here and i

4115
02:35:21,030 --> 02:35:19,040
think that what we're gonna see

4116
02:35:22,710 --> 02:35:21,040
um you know moving forward is gonna be

4117
02:35:23,830 --> 02:35:22,720
incredibly telling of the intentions of

4118
02:35:27,510 --> 02:35:23,840
that project

4119
02:35:30,790 --> 02:35:27,520
were you uh were you surprised

4120
02:35:31,830 --> 02:35:30,800
again because of what you have been

4121
02:35:35,270 --> 02:35:31,840
doing

4122
02:35:38,870 --> 02:35:35,280
uh in this community over the years that

4123
02:35:40,710 --> 02:35:38,880
ttsa in the beginning in december of

4124
02:35:44,230 --> 02:35:40,720
2017

4125
02:35:45,429 --> 02:35:44,240
uh let everything go right it all came

4126
02:35:49,429 --> 02:35:45,439
out and it was a bit

4127
02:35:51,590 --> 02:35:49,439
but but then that was

4128
02:35:53,510 --> 02:35:51,600
their first and last hurrah right

4129
02:35:56,710 --> 02:35:53,520
nothing followed from that over

4130
02:35:58,389 --> 02:35:56,720
three years i think that you know the

4131
02:36:00,309 --> 02:35:58,399
disclosure community what i've

4132
02:36:02,150 --> 02:36:00,319
come to know is like it's a pretty tight

4133
02:36:03,750 --> 02:36:02,160
family like really like people

4134
02:36:05,429 --> 02:36:03,760
you know take this stuff seriously and

4135
02:36:07,110 --> 02:36:05,439
the majority of people that are in this

4136
02:36:08,630 --> 02:36:07,120
community that participate are people

4137
02:36:09,349 --> 02:36:08,640
that have had experiences they can't

4138
02:36:11,429 --> 02:36:09,359
explain

4139
02:36:12,710 --> 02:36:11,439
and so it's hyper personal and when

4140
02:36:14,790 --> 02:36:12,720
somebody like tom delong

4141
02:36:15,910 --> 02:36:14,800
is an outsider to the community kind of

4142
02:36:17,910 --> 02:36:15,920
comes in

4143
02:36:19,230 --> 02:36:17,920
and doesn't really interact with that

4144
02:36:21,030 --> 02:36:19,240
community and then keeps it

4145
02:36:23,030 --> 02:36:21,040
compartmentalized

4146
02:36:25,030 --> 02:36:23,040
you know it's it's it's it's like coming

4147
02:36:26,469 --> 02:36:25,040
into a revolutionary movement and not

4148
02:36:28,469 --> 02:36:26,479
interacting with the revolutionaries

4149
02:36:29,270 --> 02:36:28,479
from that standpoint so i think that

4150
02:36:31,990 --> 02:36:29,280
that's

4151
02:36:32,710 --> 02:36:32,000
innately out the door probably gave them

4152
02:36:35,270 --> 02:36:32,720
problems

4153
02:36:37,030 --> 02:36:35,280
it also perpetuated lots of conspiracy

4154
02:36:38,309 --> 02:36:37,040
theories about their intentions and all

4155
02:36:41,670 --> 02:36:38,319
of that type of stuff

4156
02:36:43,990 --> 02:36:41,680
and so you know i think that from

4157
02:36:45,990 --> 02:36:44,000
maybe tom delong's standpoint if he was

4158
02:36:46,710 --> 02:36:46,000
to go back and look at kind of what went

4159
02:36:48,150 --> 02:36:46,720
wrong

4160
02:36:49,349 --> 02:36:48,160
you know and i had the opportunity to

4161
02:36:50,870 --> 02:36:49,359
kind of point out a few things that

4162
02:36:51,830 --> 02:36:50,880
would be one of them you know anybody

4163
02:36:53,349 --> 02:36:51,840
that's kind of

4164
02:36:54,870 --> 02:36:53,359
wanting to get involved in this

4165
02:36:56,230 --> 02:36:54,880
community um

4166
02:36:58,150 --> 02:36:56,240
you know you got to understand it's a

4167
02:37:00,230 --> 02:36:58,160
community this is where people network

4168
02:37:00,870 --> 02:37:00,240
it's it's that subculture it is that

4169
02:37:03,349 --> 02:37:00,880
place

4170
02:37:04,870 --> 02:37:03,359
you know that small dirty little venue

4171
02:37:06,950 --> 02:37:04,880
that everybody gets together

4172
02:37:08,230 --> 02:37:06,960
and puts together their crafts and their

4173
02:37:10,550 --> 02:37:08,240
diy stuff

4174
02:37:12,469 --> 02:37:10,560
and like bring it to the table but if

4175
02:37:13,110 --> 02:37:12,479
you become the elitist click that's too

4176
02:37:15,910 --> 02:37:13,120
cool for

4177
02:37:17,910 --> 02:37:15,920
school you're actually the antithesis of

4178
02:37:19,349 --> 02:37:17,920
what subculture communities are about

4179
02:37:20,870 --> 02:37:19,359
and you're naturally going to alienate

4180
02:37:24,630 --> 02:37:20,880
yourself from those communities

4181
02:37:28,950 --> 02:37:24,640
now uh what do you make of the uap

4182
02:37:31,429 --> 02:37:28,960
task force uh

4183
02:37:32,150 --> 02:37:31,439
give me some more information it was

4184
02:37:34,550 --> 02:37:32,160
it's it's

4185
02:37:35,910 --> 02:37:34,560
it's the new version of atip uh inside

4186
02:37:38,309 --> 02:37:35,920
of the pentagon

4187
02:37:40,870 --> 02:37:38,319
got you there i think that you know the

4188
02:37:41,830 --> 02:37:40,880
the disclosures the official disclosures

4189
02:37:43,590 --> 02:37:41,840
that are kind of

4190
02:37:45,510 --> 02:37:43,600
dripping out here from the navy and

4191
02:37:49,750 --> 02:37:45,520
military intelligence

4192
02:37:51,910 --> 02:37:49,760
show um a broader kind of agenda

4193
02:37:53,030 --> 02:37:51,920
to kind of acclimate people so they

4194
02:37:55,190 --> 02:37:53,040
don't get the bends

4195
02:37:56,550 --> 02:37:55,200
at least that's from my perspective oh

4196
02:37:59,670 --> 02:37:56,560
wow interesting

4197
02:38:02,790 --> 02:37:59,680
interesting okay and so that's

4198
02:38:03,429 --> 02:38:02,800
when when i see those avenues there it's

4199
02:38:06,070 --> 02:38:03,439
like those

4200
02:38:07,110 --> 02:38:06,080
are those are the active avenues of of

4201
02:38:09,590 --> 02:38:07,120
really kind of bringing

4202
02:38:10,710 --> 02:38:09,600
information out there but also

4203
02:38:12,469 --> 02:38:10,720
understanding

4204
02:38:14,550 --> 02:38:12,479
the responsibility of what that can do

4205
02:38:15,510 --> 02:38:14,560
psychologically to the populace you know

4206
02:38:17,429 --> 02:38:15,520
on that level

4207
02:38:19,030 --> 02:38:17,439
and so like us at the disclosure

4208
02:38:20,630 --> 02:38:19,040
community we're like the canaries in the

4209
02:38:21,110 --> 02:38:20,640
coal mines the one that went in there

4210
02:38:23,670 --> 02:38:21,120
first

4211
02:38:24,150 --> 02:38:23,680
you know and so and there's a lot of

4212
02:38:25,429 --> 02:38:24,160
nuts

4213
02:38:27,510 --> 02:38:25,439
you know because of this in that

4214
02:38:30,230 --> 02:38:27,520
experience so we can look at

4215
02:38:30,710 --> 02:38:30,240
what we've done collectively as you know

4216
02:38:37,510 --> 02:38:30,720
a

4217
02:38:39,510 --> 02:38:37,520
for for

4218
02:38:40,870 --> 02:38:39,520
everybody in this community in general

4219
02:38:43,190 --> 02:38:40,880
and so i think that

4220
02:38:45,110 --> 02:38:43,200
you know moving forward people should

4221
02:38:47,110 --> 02:38:45,120
definitely not expect to get

4222
02:38:48,469 --> 02:38:47,120
uh you know the whole truth from any

4223
02:38:50,630 --> 02:38:48,479
type of government agency

4224
02:38:51,870 --> 02:38:50,640
or official uh any whistleblower that's

4225
02:38:53,830 --> 02:38:51,880
coming forward the nature of

4226
02:38:55,670 --> 02:38:53,840
compartmentalization is exactly that

4227
02:38:58,070 --> 02:38:55,680
it's compartmentalized for a reason

4228
02:39:00,309 --> 02:38:58,080
but i do think that it all has value

4229
02:39:01,910 --> 02:39:00,319
even if it's disinformation it has value

4230
02:39:02,469 --> 02:39:01,920
researching and understanding these

4231
02:39:03,990 --> 02:39:02,479
things

4232
02:39:06,469 --> 02:39:04,000
you know everything has value as

4233
02:39:08,230 --> 02:39:06,479
information but i think the majority of

4234
02:39:09,750 --> 02:39:08,240
what will come from disclosure will

4235
02:39:11,270 --> 02:39:09,760
ultimately come from the people that's

4236
02:39:13,750 --> 02:39:11,280
the way it has to be

4237
02:39:15,670 --> 02:39:13,760
because if we're not ready for the truth

4238
02:39:17,270 --> 02:39:15,680
that's going to have a cascading

4239
02:39:20,230 --> 02:39:17,280
psychological effect

4240
02:39:21,190 --> 02:39:20,240
on our grandmothers our aunts our uncles

4241
02:39:23,190 --> 02:39:21,200
our children

4242
02:39:24,469 --> 02:39:23,200
our societies our towns our businesses

4243
02:39:26,630 --> 02:39:24,479
and all of those things

4244
02:39:28,550 --> 02:39:26,640
and so it's a fine line that has to be

4245
02:39:29,510 --> 02:39:28,560
walked from you know what gets revealed

4246
02:39:31,670 --> 02:39:29,520
to the public

4247
02:39:32,790 --> 02:39:31,680
and what doesn't just put them on to a

4248
02:39:35,510 --> 02:39:32,800
complete you know

4249
02:39:37,429 --> 02:39:35,520
uh timeline for self-destruction well

4250
02:39:40,070 --> 02:39:37,439
what's the difference

4251
02:39:42,070 --> 02:39:40,080
uh between counter intelligence and

4252
02:39:44,550 --> 02:39:42,080
disinformation

4253
02:39:45,190 --> 02:39:44,560
is there a difference because you know

4254
02:39:48,230 --> 02:39:45,200
that's

4255
02:39:51,510 --> 02:39:48,240
paradox of

4256
02:39:54,630 --> 02:39:51,520
you know disinformation may be necessary

4257
02:39:57,750 --> 02:39:54,640
uh you know uh in in nature

4258
02:40:00,070 --> 02:39:57,760
even you know um from the standpoint of

4259
02:40:02,070 --> 02:40:00,080
you know if you're teaching a child you

4260
02:40:03,670 --> 02:40:02,080
know to stay away from something

4261
02:40:05,110 --> 02:40:03,680
you kind of want to say hey don't go

4262
02:40:05,910 --> 02:40:05,120
into that closet there's a big bad

4263
02:40:07,590 --> 02:40:05,920
boogeyman there

4264
02:40:09,510 --> 02:40:07,600
knowing that your rifles are locked up

4265
02:40:09,830 --> 02:40:09,520
in there and just you know that type of

4266
02:40:13,030 --> 02:40:09,840
thing

4267
02:40:13,750 --> 02:40:13,040
the the the idea of disinformation and

4268
02:40:15,990 --> 02:40:13,760
this is where

4269
02:40:17,990 --> 02:40:16,000
i think um you know a lot of people will

4270
02:40:19,670 --> 02:40:18,000
come at heads with me is like there's

4271
02:40:21,990 --> 02:40:19,680
value in that because

4272
02:40:24,230 --> 02:40:22,000
the disinformation in itself has

4273
02:40:26,070 --> 02:40:24,240
information it reveals the intention

4274
02:40:29,190 --> 02:40:26,080
around what's being presented

4275
02:40:30,790 --> 02:40:29,200
when a uh when a magician offers up a

4276
02:40:33,830 --> 02:40:30,800
slight of hand there

4277
02:40:34,389 --> 02:40:33,840
what's not only interpreted is a great

4278
02:40:36,550 --> 02:40:34,399
trick

4279
02:40:38,550 --> 02:40:36,560
but also to understand how they did that

4280
02:40:40,950 --> 02:40:38,560
and the skill set that how they did that

4281
02:40:41,750 --> 02:40:40,960
is also the gift in knowing those things

4282
02:40:43,750 --> 02:40:41,760
and so

4283
02:40:46,070 --> 02:40:43,760
that's kind of how i look at that stuff

4284
02:40:47,110 --> 02:40:46,080
is disinformation becomes necessary from

4285
02:40:48,870 --> 02:40:47,120
that standpoint

4286
02:40:51,030 --> 02:40:48,880
and people have to look at that and

4287
02:40:52,230 --> 02:40:51,040
really discern from themselves and look

4288
02:40:54,389 --> 02:40:52,240
at the tangible

4289
02:40:55,830 --> 02:40:54,399
information versus you know what's just

4290
02:40:56,309 --> 02:40:55,840
being put out there and again it's

4291
02:40:58,150 --> 02:40:56,319
around

4292
02:41:00,150 --> 02:40:58,160
you can ponder this stuff you can you

4293
02:41:01,510 --> 02:41:00,160
know daydream think about this stuff

4294
02:41:03,429 --> 02:41:01,520
you know this is why i make films about

4295
02:41:05,110 --> 02:41:03,439
this stuff is to bring this stuff

4296
02:41:06,469 --> 02:41:05,120
out there for people to think about but

4297
02:41:08,950 --> 02:41:06,479
when it comes down to

4298
02:41:10,469 --> 02:41:08,960
you know taking strong bold opinions and

4299
02:41:12,469 --> 02:41:10,479
lines that craft our

4300
02:41:14,389 --> 02:41:12,479
you know reality our institutions or our

4301
02:41:16,469 --> 02:41:14,399
friendships and all that type of stuff

4302
02:41:18,230 --> 02:41:16,479
tangible information is the most

4303
02:41:20,150 --> 02:41:18,240
accessible for people to

4304
02:41:21,910 --> 02:41:20,160
come together in a place of

4305
02:41:23,269 --> 02:41:21,920
understanding as opposed to just

4306
02:41:25,429 --> 02:41:23,279
you know take a trip down the rabbit

4307
02:41:27,190 --> 02:41:25,439
hole is it as simple as

4308
02:41:29,750 --> 02:41:27,200
you take the disinformation and

4309
02:41:31,510 --> 02:41:29,760
immediately go 180 degrees in the

4310
02:41:34,150 --> 02:41:31,520
opposite direction

4311
02:41:35,670 --> 02:41:34,160
for me i look at disinformation from

4312
02:41:37,030 --> 02:41:35,680
okay what's the agenda here

4313
02:41:39,269 --> 02:41:37,040
what are they trying to play because the

4314
02:41:41,910 --> 02:41:39,279
best information is 97

4315
02:41:43,030 --> 02:41:41,920
true and 3 percent disinformation you

4316
02:41:44,870 --> 02:41:43,040
know that's how

4317
02:41:47,030 --> 02:41:44,880
the the best of them work in the

4318
02:41:49,590 --> 02:41:47,040
intelligence agencies and so

4319
02:41:51,269 --> 02:41:49,600
the the idea of trying to discern what

4320
02:41:51,830 --> 02:41:51,279
was the three percent that they put in

4321
02:41:55,349 --> 02:41:51,840
there

4322
02:41:58,150 --> 02:41:55,359
because that tells

4323
02:41:59,750 --> 02:41:58,160
everything to you about you know further

4324
02:42:01,830 --> 02:41:59,760
agendas that are to come

4325
02:42:03,670 --> 02:42:01,840
you know it tells uh information about

4326
02:42:05,429 --> 02:42:03,680
what they're trying to cultivate right

4327
02:42:07,990 --> 02:42:05,439
now within our dialogue

4328
02:42:09,670 --> 02:42:08,000
you know that's why it has value you

4329
02:42:11,590 --> 02:42:09,680
know from my perspective and

4330
02:42:13,990 --> 02:42:11,600
and you know why i say disinformation

4331
02:42:16,710 --> 02:42:14,000
you know is is useful in that way

4332
02:42:17,429 --> 02:42:16,720
now uh the senate intelligence committee

4333
02:42:21,269 --> 02:42:17,439
headed by

4334
02:42:24,950 --> 02:42:21,279
marco rubio hidden in the covid

4335
02:42:28,230 --> 02:42:24,960
uh uh finance package

4336
02:42:29,190 --> 02:42:28,240
is the uap task force funding for this

4337
02:42:34,309 --> 02:42:29,200
group

4338
02:42:37,110 --> 02:42:34,319
and in that 180 days from the funding

4339
02:42:40,710 --> 02:42:37,120
date which was a couple of weeks ago

4340
02:42:42,950 --> 02:42:40,720
the uap task force is to present a

4341
02:42:45,429 --> 02:42:42,960
report back to the senate intelligence

4342
02:42:48,550 --> 02:42:45,439
committee for the public

4343
02:42:51,910 --> 02:42:48,560
inside of that is uh

4344
02:42:53,429 --> 02:42:51,920
another section of that report that is

4345
02:42:56,710 --> 02:42:53,439
allowed to be

4346
02:43:00,150 --> 02:42:56,720
um classified okay

4347
02:43:02,230 --> 02:43:00,160
that's the out right yeah exactly

4348
02:43:03,910 --> 02:43:02,240
that is the out that's the whoa whoa

4349
02:43:05,110 --> 02:43:03,920
whoa that's too crazy

4350
02:43:07,269 --> 02:43:05,120
that's that needs to be

4351
02:43:07,990 --> 02:43:07,279
compartmentalized what it is though

4352
02:43:10,230 --> 02:43:08,000
again is that

4353
02:43:11,990 --> 02:43:10,240
drip place of uh you know a drip nurture

4354
02:43:13,830 --> 02:43:12,000
campaign of putting it out there

4355
02:43:15,670 --> 02:43:13,840
and slowly acclimating the public to the

4356
02:43:18,469 --> 02:43:15,680
bends because what do you do by

4357
02:43:19,670 --> 02:43:18,479
uh also classifying something you tell

4358
02:43:21,750 --> 02:43:19,680
people there's some

4359
02:43:23,030 --> 02:43:21,760
crazy thing that can't be out there and

4360
02:43:25,349 --> 02:43:23,040
that perpetuates

4361
02:43:26,630 --> 02:43:25,359
the continual motion to then declassify

4362
02:43:28,710 --> 02:43:26,640
that if you look at

4363
02:43:30,389 --> 02:43:28,720
you know for example um you know what

4364
02:43:32,150 --> 02:43:30,399
just came out on the black vault

4365
02:43:33,910 --> 02:43:32,160
site you know the cia documents that

4366
02:43:34,790 --> 02:43:33,920
were just dumped here recently that's a

4367
02:43:36,630 --> 02:43:34,800
big part of

4368
02:43:39,190 --> 02:43:36,640
i think the acclimation that's kind of

4369
02:43:41,510 --> 02:43:39,200
going on to this idea that not only are

4370
02:43:44,550 --> 02:43:41,520
these intelligence agencies collapsing

4371
02:43:46,070 --> 02:43:44,560
and dissolving and i believe there will

4372
02:43:48,150 --> 02:43:46,080
be a merger of

4373
02:43:50,230 --> 02:43:48,160
you know military intelligence agencies

4374
02:43:51,750 --> 02:43:50,240
in the future and reform of those you

4375
02:43:52,550 --> 02:43:51,760
know and potentially that's what folds

4376
02:43:55,349 --> 02:43:52,560
all into

4377
02:43:57,190 --> 02:43:55,359
space force but until then you've got

4378
02:43:59,190 --> 02:43:57,200
these agencies that have been one

4379
02:44:01,110 --> 02:43:59,200
compartmentalized from each other

4380
02:44:02,469 --> 02:44:01,120
that have independently explored these

4381
02:44:05,269 --> 02:44:02,479
you know uh different

4382
02:44:07,510 --> 02:44:05,279
things and now they're coming forward to

4383
02:44:08,550 --> 02:44:07,520
have transparency with themselves too as

4384
02:44:10,630 --> 02:44:08,560
the agencies by

4385
02:44:12,469 --> 02:44:10,640
by bringing this stuff public and so

4386
02:44:14,710 --> 02:44:12,479
from from my perspective

4387
02:44:15,510 --> 02:44:14,720
it really shows the the sea change

4388
02:44:19,190 --> 02:44:15,520
that's happening

4389
02:44:21,269 --> 02:44:19,200
for real uh you know uh

4390
02:44:23,590 --> 02:44:21,279
real response to our push for that

4391
02:44:25,910 --> 02:44:23,600
information but people need to watch it

4392
02:44:27,429 --> 02:44:25,920
and look for the disinformation and look

4393
02:44:30,309 --> 02:44:27,439
for what's being said

4394
02:44:33,110 --> 02:44:30,319
by what's not being said and that's the

4395
02:44:36,230 --> 02:44:33,120
best i can kind of what do you expect

4396
02:44:39,590 --> 02:44:36,240
to be in this uh report in

4397
02:44:43,349 --> 02:44:39,600
180 days 160 days

4398
02:44:45,750 --> 02:44:43,359
i think the idea of time travel

4399
02:44:47,190 --> 02:44:45,760
is injected into the published

4400
02:44:49,590 --> 02:44:47,200
consciousness because anybody that

4401
02:44:52,150 --> 02:44:49,600
seriously researches the ufo topic

4402
02:44:54,710 --> 02:44:52,160
understands that the laws of like you

4403
02:44:56,950 --> 02:44:54,720
know momentum and dynamics would destroy

4404
02:44:58,790 --> 02:44:56,960
any physical living being that is being

4405
02:45:00,550 --> 02:44:58,800
clocked at these speeds you know right

4406
02:45:00,870 --> 02:45:00,560
right the only way for these to happen

4407
02:45:03,429 --> 02:45:00,880
is

4408
02:45:04,230 --> 02:45:03,439
literally for it to be a time machine to

4409
02:45:06,790 --> 02:45:04,240
jump from

4410
02:45:07,750 --> 02:45:06,800
one point to another somehow because

4411
02:45:09,990 --> 02:45:07,760
without that

4412
02:45:11,429 --> 02:45:10,000
experience you would be crushed in

4413
02:45:13,590 --> 02:45:11,439
instantly you know by the g

4414
02:45:15,990 --> 02:45:13,600
forces that are created and when you can

4415
02:45:19,110 --> 02:45:16,000
jump in time

4416
02:45:21,510 --> 02:45:19,120
really mean

4417
02:45:23,349 --> 02:45:21,520
and what does it mean to pull ourselves

4418
02:45:24,630 --> 02:45:23,359
out of the collective understanding of

4419
02:45:27,349 --> 02:45:24,640
linear time

4420
02:45:29,910 --> 02:45:27,359
and a time that's a closed loop this is

4421
02:45:30,469 --> 02:45:29,920
the advancements in quantum science this

4422
02:45:32,389 --> 02:45:30,479
is

4423
02:45:33,830 --> 02:45:32,399
where the rubber meets the road as far

4424
02:45:36,950 --> 02:45:33,840
as spirituality

4425
02:45:39,190 --> 02:45:36,960
and religion merging at those places

4426
02:45:41,190 --> 02:45:39,200
the idea of quantum technology

4427
02:45:43,830 --> 02:45:41,200
especially within quantum computing

4428
02:45:45,190 --> 02:45:43,840
when these become household

4429
02:45:48,230 --> 02:45:45,200
understandings

4430
02:45:50,389 --> 02:45:48,240
it will change our consciousness when we

4431
02:45:52,309 --> 02:45:50,399
understand scientific theory from the

4432
02:45:54,870 --> 02:45:52,319
standpoint we're all entangled

4433
02:45:56,389 --> 02:45:54,880
that's a mirror to we are all one those

4434
02:45:57,190 --> 02:45:56,399
those concepts that have been the

4435
02:45:59,510 --> 02:45:57,200
tenants of

4436
02:46:00,469 --> 02:45:59,520
you know our base religions and you know

4437
02:46:02,150 --> 02:46:00,479
all of these

4438
02:46:04,550 --> 02:46:02,160
higher spiritual you know and

4439
02:46:06,710 --> 02:46:04,560
philosophical ideas of being a one

4440
02:46:08,230 --> 02:46:06,720
unity consciousness is now represented

4441
02:46:10,230 --> 02:46:08,240
in scientific theory

4442
02:46:11,590 --> 02:46:10,240
and when that happens the breakthrough

4443
02:46:13,590 --> 02:46:11,600
of quantum consciousness

4444
02:46:15,510 --> 02:46:13,600
chronic consciousness whatever people

4445
02:46:16,790 --> 02:46:15,520
you know want to interpret it the the

4446
02:46:18,790 --> 02:46:16,800
final you know kind of

4447
02:46:20,710 --> 02:46:18,800
union between that science and and

4448
02:46:23,030 --> 02:46:20,720
spirituality all that stuff

4449
02:46:24,790 --> 02:46:23,040
is what's nestled in these documents

4450
02:46:27,030 --> 02:46:24,800
though the drip nurture campaign

4451
02:46:28,389 --> 02:46:27,040
um that could be playing out through the

4452
02:46:29,910 --> 02:46:28,399
release of these documents

4453
02:46:31,910 --> 02:46:29,920
i believe is leading to that

4454
02:46:33,830 --> 02:46:31,920
understanding of really a quantum

4455
02:46:35,110 --> 02:46:33,840
reality how we interact and how it

4456
02:46:37,269 --> 02:46:35,120
interacts with us

4457
02:46:38,230 --> 02:46:37,279
and the technologies are going to be the

4458
02:46:40,230 --> 02:46:38,240
the wayfarer

4459
02:46:41,750 --> 02:46:40,240
for you know revealing those things and

4460
02:46:45,110 --> 02:46:41,760
helping us understand how

4461
02:46:46,550 --> 02:46:45,120
those things actually work is uh is time

4462
02:46:49,429 --> 02:46:46,560
travel

4463
02:46:50,309 --> 02:46:49,439
something that is easier to if you're

4464
02:46:54,150 --> 02:46:50,319
going to have a

4465
02:46:57,830 --> 02:46:54,160
a drop is that easier for everybody to

4466
02:47:01,190 --> 02:46:57,840
understand and digest than

4467
02:47:02,630 --> 02:47:01,200
e.t right well i think at all

4468
02:47:04,469 --> 02:47:02,640
it's the whole conversation about the

4469
02:47:06,790 --> 02:47:04,479
chicken and the egg there has to be an

4470
02:47:07,750 --> 02:47:06,800
origin seed for all life right and so

4471
02:47:10,790 --> 02:47:07,760
when you bring in

4472
02:47:12,309 --> 02:47:10,800
the idea of uh time travel

4473
02:47:13,830 --> 02:47:12,319
you know who's to say that these

4474
02:47:15,030 --> 02:47:13,840
extraterrestrials that people are

4475
02:47:18,070 --> 02:47:15,040
experiencing

4476
02:47:19,990 --> 02:47:18,080
you know all throughout you know history

4477
02:47:21,910 --> 02:47:20,000
are not you know future versions of

4478
02:47:24,389 --> 02:47:21,920
ourselves you know coming back

4479
02:47:26,230 --> 02:47:24,399
and utilizing that time are we getting

4480
02:47:28,790 --> 02:47:26,240
to a place where we inhabit

4481
02:47:29,590 --> 02:47:28,800
uh other planets in the future and it

4482
02:47:32,070 --> 02:47:29,600
changes our

4483
02:47:34,550 --> 02:47:32,080
physical bodies do we get to a place

4484
02:47:36,469 --> 02:47:34,560
where we can edit with rna to

4485
02:47:38,710 --> 02:47:36,479
you know change our physical bodies

4486
02:47:41,349 --> 02:47:38,720
based off of where we travel in space

4487
02:47:43,110 --> 02:47:41,359
and if those things are our future you

4488
02:47:46,150 --> 02:47:43,120
know and where we're going and

4489
02:47:49,190 --> 02:47:46,160
in evolution and time travel

4490
02:47:51,190 --> 02:47:49,200
is possible you know are we you know

4491
02:47:53,030 --> 02:47:51,200
really looking at ourselves are

4492
02:47:55,349 --> 02:47:53,040
these really aliens are these really

4493
02:47:56,630 --> 02:47:55,359
just kind of experiences of ourselves

4494
02:47:57,349 --> 02:47:56,640
here in different iterations in the

4495
02:47:59,030 --> 02:47:57,359
future those

4496
02:48:01,349 --> 02:47:59,040
are the things that i find fascinating

4497
02:48:03,750 --> 02:48:01,359
to contemplate in relationship to

4498
02:48:05,110 --> 02:48:03,760
you know this time warping technology

4499
02:48:06,870 --> 02:48:05,120
quantum computing

4500
02:48:08,630 --> 02:48:06,880
and you know extraterrestrials the

4501
02:48:12,389 --> 02:48:08,640
possibility of extraterrestrials

4502
02:48:16,389 --> 02:48:12,399
now um okay so that maybe that's why

4503
02:48:18,950 --> 02:48:16,399
we haven't had an alien invasion

4504
02:48:19,750 --> 02:48:18,960
right that's pretty good that's i mean i

4505
02:48:23,030 --> 02:48:19,760
i if

4506
02:48:26,309 --> 02:48:23,040
if would that also remove

4507
02:48:29,030 --> 02:48:26,319
the fear discussion right i

4508
02:48:30,309 --> 02:48:29,040
i think it does from the standpoint of

4509
02:48:33,269 --> 02:48:30,319
you know

4510
02:48:34,070 --> 02:48:33,279
we are continuing to go down a road of

4511
02:48:36,070 --> 02:48:34,080
evolution

4512
02:48:38,150 --> 02:48:36,080
that's crafted by us in this moment have

4513
02:48:39,670 --> 02:48:38,160
we lived parallel realities

4514
02:48:41,670 --> 02:48:39,680
that have played this moment over and

4515
02:48:42,469 --> 02:48:41,680
over i definitely believe that's

4516
02:48:44,550 --> 02:48:42,479
possible

4517
02:48:46,710 --> 02:48:44,560
are we resolving anomalies and

4518
02:48:47,750 --> 02:48:46,720
collapsing anomalies in those realities

4519
02:48:49,190 --> 02:48:47,760
in this you know

4520
02:48:51,750 --> 02:48:49,200
place i definitely believe that's

4521
02:48:54,389 --> 02:48:51,760
possible too but the idea of

4522
02:48:56,790 --> 02:48:54,399
you know what we're trying to kind of go

4523
02:48:58,150 --> 02:48:56,800
to now collectively in the future

4524
02:48:59,910 --> 02:48:58,160
with these advancements in these

4525
02:49:01,590 --> 02:48:59,920
releases of technologies

4526
02:49:03,429 --> 02:49:01,600
you know we can play in the sandbox all

4527
02:49:04,950 --> 02:49:03,439
we want and hypothesize about

4528
02:49:06,630 --> 02:49:04,960
you know what we can do with them but to

4529
02:49:07,269 --> 02:49:06,640
really hold these technologies in our

4530
02:49:08,710 --> 02:49:07,279
hands

4531
02:49:11,110 --> 02:49:08,720
you know the maturity that it's going to

4532
02:49:13,910 --> 02:49:11,120
take for us to not let these

4533
02:49:14,710 --> 02:49:13,920
technologies destroy us and turn on us

4534
02:49:16,309 --> 02:49:14,720
and

4535
02:49:17,510 --> 02:49:16,319
you know is is going to take all of us

4536
02:49:18,790 --> 02:49:17,520
collectively coming together and

4537
02:49:20,150 --> 02:49:18,800
creating regulation and really

4538
02:49:22,550 --> 02:49:20,160
understanding the power

4539
02:49:24,550 --> 02:49:22,560
that these technologies have but also

4540
02:49:26,230 --> 02:49:24,560
the responsibility that we have to

4541
02:49:27,349 --> 02:49:26,240
steward in what's natural

4542
02:49:29,269 --> 02:49:27,359
when you look at the idea of

4543
02:49:31,990 --> 02:49:29,279
transhumanism and losing

4544
02:49:32,950 --> 02:49:32,000
you know what is natural against what is

4545
02:49:35,349 --> 02:49:32,960
created

4546
02:49:36,790 --> 02:49:35,359
you know artificially you know the idea

4547
02:49:39,429 --> 02:49:36,800
of you know creating

4548
02:49:41,190 --> 02:49:39,439
regulations for non-sentient ai you know

4549
02:49:42,790 --> 02:49:41,200
ai can be available but

4550
02:49:44,710 --> 02:49:42,800
trying to become gods and create

4551
02:49:45,910 --> 02:49:44,720
sentience in machines you know

4552
02:49:47,750 --> 02:49:45,920
these are the places these are the

4553
02:49:49,190 --> 02:49:47,760
transgressions i believe that are forks

4554
02:49:49,990 --> 02:49:49,200
in the road that we choose different

4555
02:49:51,750 --> 02:49:50,000
outcomes

4556
02:49:53,190 --> 02:49:51,760
and i think that uh you know a lot of

4557
02:49:54,550 --> 02:49:53,200
people are scared of artificial

4558
02:49:55,110 --> 02:49:54,560
intelligence they're scared of these

4559
02:49:57,030 --> 02:49:55,120
things

4560
02:49:58,550 --> 02:49:57,040
you know because it's been in our again

4561
02:50:01,510 --> 02:49:58,560
our folklore you know

4562
02:50:02,389 --> 02:50:01,520
t2 you know the the skynet and all of

4563
02:50:04,309 --> 02:50:02,399
this stuff

4564
02:50:06,389 --> 02:50:04,319
but really when it comes down to it it's

4565
02:50:07,990 --> 02:50:06,399
a tool it can just be like a hammer and

4566
02:50:09,429 --> 02:50:08,000
if you set it on a shelf it's not going

4567
02:50:11,030 --> 02:50:09,439
to pick up and hammer a nail

4568
02:50:12,710 --> 02:50:11,040
until you interact with it and these are

4569
02:50:14,150 --> 02:50:12,720
the regulations and the conversations i

4570
02:50:15,830 --> 02:50:14,160
think that need to be had

4571
02:50:17,510 --> 02:50:15,840
in relationship to these coming

4572
02:50:20,550 --> 02:50:17,520
technologies in both

4573
02:50:22,230 --> 02:50:20,560
you know uh quantum computing uh you

4574
02:50:24,630 --> 02:50:22,240
know travel um

4575
02:50:25,830 --> 02:50:24,640
you know dna editing all of that type of

4576
02:50:27,510 --> 02:50:25,840
stuff those are the

4577
02:50:29,349 --> 02:50:27,520
the conversations that need to be had

4578
02:50:32,389 --> 02:50:29,359
now to protect against

4579
02:50:34,230 --> 02:50:32,399
you know losing what makes us human and

4580
02:50:34,870 --> 02:50:34,240
what makes us natural in those places

4581
02:50:39,510 --> 02:50:34,880
that's

4582
02:50:41,910 --> 02:50:39,520
talking about the possibility of some

4583
02:50:44,230 --> 02:50:41,920
type of open source security

4584
02:50:45,190 --> 02:50:44,240
uh agency that kind of scares the crap

4585
02:50:47,830 --> 02:50:45,200
out of me

4586
02:50:49,030 --> 02:50:47,840
in that some things do need to be kept

4587
02:50:52,150 --> 02:50:49,040
secret

4588
02:50:53,910 --> 02:50:52,160
okay there's no question about that the

4589
02:50:57,110 --> 02:50:53,920
flip side is

4590
02:51:00,230 --> 02:50:57,120
um we just went through 2020 we know how

4591
02:51:01,349 --> 02:51:00,240
upset we can get how quickly uh we can

4592
02:51:04,389 --> 02:51:01,359
go down

4593
02:51:07,349 --> 02:51:04,399
uh the downward spiral but if it

4594
02:51:09,429 --> 02:51:07,359
is revealed that the government knows

4595
02:51:12,309 --> 02:51:09,439
about time travel and the government

4596
02:51:13,030 --> 02:51:12,319
knows about free energy and antigravity

4597
02:51:17,510 --> 02:51:13,040
and

4598
02:51:21,990 --> 02:51:17,520
holding that back from

4599
02:51:25,110 --> 02:51:22,000
us that's that's revolution

4600
02:51:25,510 --> 02:51:25,120
that's anarchy in the streets and and it

4601
02:51:28,469 --> 02:51:25,520
can

4602
02:51:29,910 --> 02:51:28,479
be anarchy in the streets or it could be

4603
02:51:31,190 --> 02:51:29,920
that there are people that have been

4604
02:51:33,830 --> 02:51:31,200
cultivated to take

4605
02:51:34,550 --> 02:51:33,840
that archetype on and responsibility for

4606
02:51:38,150 --> 02:51:34,560
doing that

4607
02:51:39,030 --> 02:51:38,160
and they will be a part of justice for

4608
02:51:41,910 --> 02:51:39,040
the people

4609
02:51:43,429 --> 02:51:41,920
in a way that we bring justice to

4610
02:51:46,870 --> 02:51:43,439
compensating for that

4611
02:51:48,469 --> 02:51:46,880
but in the same way that's also what

4612
02:51:50,389 --> 02:51:48,479
we're facing collectively

4613
02:51:52,550 --> 02:51:50,399
it doesn't have to be anarchy in the

4614
02:51:55,590 --> 02:51:52,560
streets it doesn't have to be

4615
02:51:58,870 --> 02:51:55,600
you know because we are complicit in

4616
02:51:59,830 --> 02:51:58,880
our uh you know we have given consent to

4617
02:52:01,670 --> 02:51:59,840
a lot of this

4618
02:52:03,110 --> 02:52:01,680
this is out there you know this this has

4619
02:52:05,590 --> 02:52:03,120
been known for a while

4620
02:52:07,590 --> 02:52:05,600
it's almost like cliche at this point

4621
02:52:08,070 --> 02:52:07,600
and what's happened is apathy has taken

4622
02:52:09,990 --> 02:52:08,080
over

4623
02:52:11,349 --> 02:52:10,000
where people just accept this experience

4624
02:52:13,910 --> 02:52:11,359
and that's on us that is

4625
02:52:15,110 --> 02:52:13,920
absolutely on us you know to take on and

4626
02:52:17,190 --> 02:52:15,120
i think that's what

4627
02:52:19,830 --> 02:52:17,200
this experience is about right now too

4628
02:52:22,630 --> 02:52:19,840
is is is the death of that apathy

4629
02:52:24,230 --> 02:52:22,640
and the reinvigorating and awakening of

4630
02:52:25,830 --> 02:52:24,240
you know the true responsibility and

4631
02:52:26,389 --> 02:52:25,840
accountability for the individual on the

4632
02:52:28,389 --> 02:52:26,399
whole

4633
02:52:30,389 --> 02:52:28,399
and these technologies and disclosures

4634
02:52:31,830 --> 02:52:30,399
like that yep they could be a total

4635
02:52:33,990 --> 02:52:31,840
nightmare for us to

4636
02:52:35,510 --> 02:52:34,000
turn it into destruction and you know

4637
02:52:38,230 --> 02:52:35,520
all of that or it could be

4638
02:52:39,510 --> 02:52:38,240
a real marker and where we let things go

4639
02:52:41,190 --> 02:52:39,520
that we shouldn't have

4640
02:52:43,269 --> 02:52:41,200
and a commitment to making sure that we

4641
02:52:47,190 --> 02:52:43,279
don't do that ever again collectively

4642
02:52:50,469 --> 02:52:47,200
have we been desensitized maybe too much

4643
02:52:51,750 --> 02:52:50,479
if if this real disclosure actually

4644
02:52:54,710 --> 02:52:51,760
happens

4645
02:52:55,670 --> 02:52:54,720
is the reaction going to be ah right

4646
02:52:57,910 --> 02:52:55,680
right

4647
02:52:59,349 --> 02:52:57,920
well i think if real disclosure is hey

4648
02:53:01,190 --> 02:52:59,359
there's extraterrestrials out there

4649
02:53:01,910 --> 02:53:01,200
there's other life beyond this planet

4650
02:53:03,830 --> 02:53:01,920
it's like

4651
02:53:06,469 --> 02:53:03,840
ah okay that's one thing that i think

4652
02:53:07,990 --> 02:53:06,479
but if the the real disclosure is hey by

4653
02:53:10,469 --> 02:53:08,000
the way these elites have been

4654
02:53:11,349 --> 02:53:10,479
using this technology to call timelines

4655
02:53:13,349 --> 02:53:11,359
against us

4656
02:53:14,540 --> 02:53:13,359
that might be another conversation you

4657
02:53:16,710 --> 02:53:14,550
know what does that mean

4658
02:53:20,230 --> 02:53:16,720
[Laughter]

4659
02:53:23,670 --> 02:53:20,240
why don't we have uh

4660
02:53:26,469 --> 02:53:23,680
a million disclosure march

4661
02:53:28,389 --> 02:53:26,479
i would think that that is in the realm

4662
02:53:30,630 --> 02:53:28,399
of possibilities

4663
02:53:32,230 --> 02:53:30,640
i think that that's where this is going

4664
02:53:33,670 --> 02:53:32,240
and that's one of those things that can

4665
02:53:35,990 --> 02:53:33,680
divide the right or left

4666
02:53:37,910 --> 02:53:36,000
because you know this the division that

4667
02:53:39,030 --> 02:53:37,920
we see and at the core of every social

4668
02:53:41,110 --> 02:53:39,040
justice movement

4669
02:53:42,710 --> 02:53:41,120
when you really trace it back it goes

4670
02:53:44,309 --> 02:53:42,720
back to the people that are feeding off

4671
02:53:44,950 --> 02:53:44,319
of us whether it's dakota access

4672
02:53:46,469 --> 02:53:44,960
pipeline

4673
02:53:48,630 --> 02:53:46,479
whether it's women's rights whether it's

4674
02:53:50,389 --> 02:53:48,640
civil rights whether you know it's uh

4675
02:53:52,469 --> 02:53:50,399
the sovereignty movement

4676
02:53:54,469 --> 02:53:52,479
all of these things can be traced back

4677
02:53:55,590 --> 02:53:54,479
to one core problem that we have

4678
02:53:58,150 --> 02:53:55,600
together we've all been

4679
02:53:59,750 --> 02:53:58,160
frickin lied to and that is the truth

4680
02:54:00,550 --> 02:53:59,760
and if we can come together on that

4681
02:54:02,630 --> 02:54:00,560
platform

4682
02:54:03,990 --> 02:54:02,640
and realize that we just need to pull

4683
02:54:05,030 --> 02:54:04,000
this stuff out into the public

4684
02:54:07,190 --> 02:54:05,040
collectively

4685
02:54:08,469 --> 02:54:07,200
for the purposes of building a new you

4686
02:54:10,389 --> 02:54:08,479
know experience

4687
02:54:11,590 --> 02:54:10,399
the disclosure community doing a million

4688
02:54:14,550 --> 02:54:11,600
disclosure march

4689
02:54:15,110 --> 02:54:14,560
could absolutely do that or better yet a

4690
02:54:17,590 --> 02:54:15,120
million

4691
02:54:18,710 --> 02:54:17,600
people meditating and in prayer in a

4692
02:54:20,870 --> 02:54:18,720
space like that

4693
02:54:22,469 --> 02:54:20,880
could even go you know beyond that for

4694
02:54:24,150 --> 02:54:22,479
that intention you know that's the

4695
02:54:25,910 --> 02:54:24,160
whole idea of you know kind of what i

4696
02:54:28,309 --> 02:54:25,920
was doing with full disclosure now is

4697
02:54:30,230 --> 02:54:28,319
like getting people at 11 11 every day

4698
02:54:32,230 --> 02:54:30,240
to just set their you know watches and

4699
02:54:34,710 --> 02:54:32,240
their cell phones for a gentle ping

4700
02:54:36,710 --> 02:54:34,720
to to think that term to just embody

4701
02:54:38,309 --> 02:54:36,720
that term full disclosure now

4702
02:54:40,469 --> 02:54:38,319
and synchronize people's thoughts to

4703
02:54:41,269 --> 02:54:40,479
that that's where i see this movement

4704
02:54:43,429 --> 02:54:41,279
going i see

4705
02:54:44,550 --> 02:54:43,439
i've seen that from the beginning i've

4706
02:54:47,429 --> 02:54:44,560
tried to put

4707
02:54:47,990 --> 02:54:47,439
you know poor life and you know my care

4708
02:54:49,269 --> 02:54:48,000
into this

4709
02:54:51,030 --> 02:54:49,279
movement as an activist from

4710
02:54:51,670 --> 02:54:51,040
contributing to those conversations in

4711
02:54:54,150 --> 02:54:51,680
that way

4712
02:54:55,110 --> 02:54:54,160
i've organized you know mass meditations

4713
02:54:57,030 --> 02:54:55,120
in dc

4714
02:54:58,950 --> 02:54:57,040
i've you know been actively a part of

4715
02:55:00,230 --> 02:54:58,960
organizing events over the last years

4716
02:55:01,190 --> 02:55:00,240
that bring people together for mass

4717
02:55:03,670 --> 02:55:01,200
meditations

4718
02:55:05,110 --> 02:55:03,680
this is our power from a direct action

4719
02:55:06,950 --> 02:55:05,120
collective standpoint

4720
02:55:09,349 --> 02:55:06,960
uh in my opinion from the disclosure

4721
02:55:11,110 --> 02:55:09,359
side of things so yeah jimmy you you you

4722
02:55:14,070 --> 02:55:11,120
light the fire i'll be right next to you

4723
02:55:14,870 --> 02:55:14,080
yeah yeah i i'm i'm right there man i'm

4724
02:55:19,990 --> 02:55:14,880
right there

4725
02:55:24,710 --> 02:55:20,000
well this is if edward snowden

4726
02:55:26,630 --> 02:55:24,720
were to do what he did today

4727
02:55:27,830 --> 02:55:26,640
there would be a different reaction

4728
02:55:31,349 --> 02:55:27,840
there would be

4729
02:55:34,389 --> 02:55:31,359
you know much more anger and and changes

4730
02:55:37,269 --> 02:55:34,399
would be different today

4731
02:55:39,670 --> 02:55:37,279
we we didn't have the reaction the

4732
02:55:44,070 --> 02:55:39,680
patriot act is still in play

4733
02:55:47,269 --> 02:55:44,080
right we as outraged as we were

4734
02:55:49,990 --> 02:55:47,279
it didn't gain traction but today

4735
02:55:50,870 --> 02:55:50,000
it's a different world isn't it it is a

4736
02:55:53,190 --> 02:55:50,880
different world

4737
02:55:54,469 --> 02:55:53,200
and that world reflects where we're at

4738
02:55:57,830 --> 02:55:54,479
collectively

4739
02:55:59,429 --> 02:55:57,840
and um you know they're

4740
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there's now there's nothing better than

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the right time in the right place

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and when those things kind of come

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together

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they produce miracles and breakthroughs

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in ways that

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you know couldn't be done before or

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won't come after that and

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those are the real magical moments and i

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think that regardless of the stress that

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we're all in right now

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um i would encourage everybody if you're

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hearing my voice right now i'm listening

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to this understand that this is a

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freaking

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miracle where we're at right now the

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ability to go through this dark night of

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the soul that we've gone through

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and see the darkest in each other and

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still be fighting forward to

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to love each other and to bring this uh

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experience to a place of unity it says a

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lot about

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you know where we're at and the

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possibilities of what we can create

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together here

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in this future don't lose sight of hope

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don't lose sight of

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the amazing things that are available if

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we all can kind of put our heads

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together

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and find life and inspiration and love

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and passion

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into being of service to that experience

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and this experience will feed back to

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you

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life love and passion roger richards

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now let's not uh wait two years for the

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next conversation

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the website and the film is a thousand

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pieces dot com the links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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i want to thank roger for coming on

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tonight amazing uh conversation

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and we just want paul to poll and i've

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02:57:24,309 --> 02:57:23,439
got to get to credits roger you stay

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right there

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i'm going to speak with roger for a

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while after the show tonight

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and i know everybody out there is

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jealous so let's uh let's get out here

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tomorrow night right here we're doing

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ghost hunting tomorrow night with tony

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and sheree

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rathman i'm your host jimmy church what

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a great week we've got coming up and of

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course wednesday night

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until tomorrow night ghost hunting i

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want everybody to be safe

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